You can kill a modern armour with a boulder rolled down a hill, Neolithic level attack...
Its even been done multiple times...
If you know where Hundreds of Modern battle tanks were going to come though a mountain pass they have no bypass with no support and you are given 3 years even a few hundred men with just wood Shovels and stone hammers and their own manpower are going to cause serious damage/death/problems.
Shovels are as primitive as clubs...
This is much like Orions at a Jump point in outsider.
Its called Terrain advantage..
Orions cant match Umiak/Loroi ships in a system, only by hitting them along the 10lm or so jump line.
Terrans advantage is
Distance
Can have monitor system to know in advance
Limited Jump lines
3 years+ to prepare.
Battlecrusier sized transports which are mostly scaffolding because all the parts they will carry are space rated and don't need protection.
5 transports 4 carrying front/drive plates and 1 having the robotic systems to extract/deploy.
Assuming give 6 weeks travel time/setup/return/resupply
Deploy about 150 orions
1300 orions deployed by 1 group a year.
50 Transports can deploy 13000.
Assuming TCA Battleship:Transport production is on par with USA ww2 battleship:Transport production the TCA can produce 100-200 transports(military) a year.
Taking 75 of those a year allows for over 80000 orions to have been deployed in 3 years...
Getting Orions anywhere isn't the problem given a few years for TCA.
WW2 production is in Battleships vs Transports is a fair comparison due to equal tech and material required to make Battleships/transports in each era, ww2 and 2160.
As for Orions
If mass producing them is a problem they can be used as a multistage booster.
Replacing the main warhead and 30% of its endurance they can carry around 50 normal Terran torpedoes
500 Orions can release 25000 Torpedoes that have due to the booster closing faster at about twice the speed then Loroi/Umiak torpedoes can and neither Umiak/Loroi ships can outrun/evade.
Twice the closing speed and size on par with Loroi/Umiak means better survival rates and only half the weapon volleys used to engage them...
Of course, can Terrans mass produce with their industry so many fusion torpedoes is something only Arioch can comment on as its a high tech munition. Orions are low tech and can be focused on from just a industrial capacity of raw resources for the most part.
Fission and Thermonuclear bombs are primitive functionally and easy to produce.
Tech gap of a Triplane vs modern airforce is on par with 1960s rocketry to the current Loroi...
Triplanes/Biplanes were not even effective towards the war effort outside of RECON, if they were removed the war would have played out effectively the same...
If Terran colonies had a civil war, TCA warships would be the DECIDING element.
Triplanes are 110 years behind current airforce...
With Terran tech rate in outsider with no outside influence they are not even 100 years behind the Loroi.
Werra wrote: ↑Thu Aug 12, 2021 12:33 pm
MBehave wrote: ↑Thu Aug 12, 2021 5:48 am
Orions are not complicated they are both simple in production and function... with the most complicated high tech systems actually being sensors/computer systems which even a current mobile phone has enough processing power to run...
Even the radar could be vaccuum tube based...
Primitive to an extreme...
I wouldn't call a weapons system that needs to use space capable infrastructure as primitive. What several people are telling you is that the lower the base level of technology is, the less severe differences in equipment become. There is not a tri-plane in existence that can take on a modern fighter jet. But if you need to fight a fully armored knight and all you have is a club, you could conceivably do it.
MBehave wrote: ↑Thu Aug 12, 2021 5:48 am
Modern cannons are more advanced then a rifle, they actually require better alloys and high quality tempering methods along with more advanced lathing methods.
Obviously I didn't mean to compare modern artillery pieces with modern rifles. Okay, next example of the concept then. A Königstiger and a current gen manportable AT missile. Just because something is older doesn't mean better, more modern weapons can't be easier to produce.
MBehave wrote: ↑Thu Aug 12, 2021 5:48 am
I mentioned TONNAGE...
Ton as in METRIC Ton, a system of weight/mass...
Earth and Mars are already supply the vast amount of resources the colonies need to expand and support colonists.
Tarrans have been stated to have a large amount of trade between the colonies and 40 star systems with bases/mining/etc making for the need of around 50 jump capable ships to act as policing and further system police ships of an unknown number(no jump drive).
Insider even states that Terrans have no problem getting material on/off planets in 2160.
It makes no difference to my argument whether we're talking about metric tons or abstract tonnage, as both still need to be transported. Transportation was just one example how logistics are vastly different in space than on earth. Thus, earth-bound industrial output of the past is of little significance for future space industry.
Human space trade in Outsider doesn't have limitless capacity. Just because earth can keep several colonies alive, doesn't mean she can do that and take on a massive project such as seeding TCA space with Orions.
You know, I have no problem getting some milk from the fridge. Doesn't mean I can fill my bathtub with the stuff just like that.