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Well, it seems Alex arrived at a rather unfortunate time for a scenic tour around the Loroi empire...


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Hmm... Makes me wonder what forces count as available forces. Surely it is a bad idea to leave a system entirely undefended, right? With the Umiak's new sneaky fleets especially, maybe they don't even need to go around the long way. Just make a big obvious push and then when everyone rushes to the defense, the sneaky fleets slip by in the system that just vacated of all defenses.

Also, the Neridi has some interesting headgear. Some things which look like earrings, but I can't place the rest of it. Cybernetic implants perhaps? Or a space headset, similar to what Uhura used maybe?


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Pretty sure by the end of this, Alex is going to relish some dull moments, because he's not going to be seeing any for some time to come. Interesting times...

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Entirely plausible and I approve wholeheartedly the term "sneaky fleets."


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My best guess after going through the ship profiles is that it's probably something like a Lone Fire backed by whatever ships aren't mobile or modern enough to see action on the offensive, like Halberds and Catapaults, backed by something defensively oriented like Rapiers. Given that you can park a fueling station either on planet or in orbit and build a hangar around it, I'd hazard that there are probably more fighters on defense than the front lines, since there's no need to have dedicated carrier craft if a static installation can do it more effectively.

Obviously though this won't help Alex and company in the slightest. Going by stats shuttles like this one are so slow the Umiak can pretty easily catch up to them even in slower craft.


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OMGERD!!!!

Will the Umiak offensive push these folks together or apart!?!

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Battle stations everybody. The shit is real.


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I mean, the 51st just got done intercepting a bunch of Umiak in the steppes. Even if they weren't sneaky fleets, they'd have to expect the rest of them to hit the Loroi lines eventually, right? Unless, I dunno, the Umiak are building a forward base in the Naam system and those fleets are there to defend it?


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Looks like the "Khalkha Divisions" have arrived...
Now I wonder if "The Stray"'s fleet is supposed to be another prong of this attack, and we'll see more of it.

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What is "flash traffic"?


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sounds like an emergency priority message in the data streams for Union members.
Most important traffic the networks are currently transmitting.

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SVlad wrote:
What is "flash traffic"?


From Wikipedia

CCEB military precedence
The Combined Communications Electronics Board (CCEB), a five-nation joint military communications-electronics organization (consisting of Australia, Canada, New Zealand, the United Kingdom, and the United States), uses the following message precedence designators, in descending order of importance:

FLASH (Z) is reserved for initial enemy contact messages or operational combat messages of extreme urgency. Brevity is mandatory. FLASH messages are to be handled as fast as humanly possible, ahead of all other messages, with in-station handling time not to exceed 10 minutes. Messages of lower precedence are interrupted on all circuits involved until the handling of FLASH messages is completed.

IMMEDIATE (O) is reserved for messages relating to situations gravely affecting the security of the nation. It requires immediate delivery. Examples include reports of widespread civil disturbance, reports or warning of grave natural disaster, and requests for or directions concerning search and rescue operations. IMMEDIATE messages are processed, transmitted, and delivered in the order received and ahead of all messages of lower precedence. They are to be handled as quickly as possible, with in-station handling time not to exceed 30 minutes. Messages of lower precedence should be interrupted on all circuits involved until the handling of the IMMEDIATE message is completed. The use of the letter "O" comes from the original name for this level, "operational immediate".

PRIORITY (P) is reserved for all traffic requiring expeditious action by the addressee or for conducting operations in progress when ROUTINE precedence will not suffice. PRIORITY precedence messages are processed, transmitted, and delivered in the order received and ahead of all messages of ROUTINE precedence. Examples include requests for supplies or equipment during the conduct of an operation, time-critical items requiring quick response, and situation reports. They are to be handled as quickly as possible, with in-station handling time not to exceed 3 hours.

ROUTINE (R) is used for all types of message traffic justifying transmission by rapid means, but not of sufficient urgency to require higher precedence. ROUTINE precedence messages are delivered in the order received and after all messages of higher precedence. Examples include any message that requires the documentation of its transmission or delivery; messages concerning normal operations, programs, or projects; and periodic or consolidated reports. They should be handled as soon as traffic flow allows, but no later than the beginning of the next duty day.

Flash Override (Y): The National Command Authority (usually the President of the United States) has access to a FLASH OVERRIDE (FO) capability. FO is not a precedence, but instead represents the authority and means to override all other traffic, including FLASH precedence messages. In written message traffic, the proword 'Y' is used to indicate a message having the authority to override all other traffic and is usually assigned to Emergency Action Messages (EAM).


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The first time I ever heard the phrase "flash traffic" was in the movie CRIMSON TIDE...

Yeah, here is the scene


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Well this can't be good although being taken well away from the attack may only be temporary. 6 divisions is a lot if these click clack bugs use numbers similar to the Soviet Unions divisions. How large is a bug's division?

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CrimsonFALKE wrote:
How large is a bug's division?

It varies, but a typical Umiak division is around 75 vessels.

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Arioch wrote:
CrimsonFALKE wrote:
How large is a bug's division?

It varies, but a typical Umiak division is around 75 vessels.


Quoting Captain Obvious, "this is bad, isn´t"? :?


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Arioch wrote:
CrimsonFALKE wrote:
How large is a bug's division?

It varies, but a typical Umiak division is around 75 vessels.


Does this count gunships carried on tow cables or is it just inter-system ships?


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Jayngfet wrote:
Arioch wrote:
CrimsonFALKE wrote:
How large is a bug's division?

It varies, but a typical Umiak division is around 75 vessels.


Does this count gunships carried on tow cables or is it just inter-system ships?

Just jump-capable ships. The division that attacked SG-51 on pp.68-84 was a pretty typical medium Umiak division: 8 heavies, 64 medium vessels, and about 50 light vessels and gunboats.

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I think I've got Beryl figured out now, she's an optimist! :D

I guess my curiosity stems from not knowing just how routine this sort of engagement is. Presumably six divisions is larger than Sala-128 is confident in handling alone, but are the Umiak in a position to win in plain old massed frontal offensive?

The Umiak back home would have a hard time knowing the size and composition of the Loroi defense fleets, as getting intel back across the steppes would be difficult. Maybe they do have the numbers to win by going all in, and the just don't know it? It would be kind of funny if they had sent out sneaky fleets and by the time they got to their targets, the war was already over because the diversion won the war by itself. (not funny for the Loroi obviously.)

Is Seren the yellow dot at the end of the blue path?


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Is Seren the yellow dot at the end of the blue path?

Yes. If i translated the map correctly:
- The label at the yellow dot at the end of the blue path spells "Neres" - as trade language is read right-to-left that would be Seren. The large blue text are the same symbols which makes sense as Seren is in the Seren Sector.
- The red dot with the white circle is Naam, the system where Bellarmine was destroyed.
- The star marked by red triangles is Sala-128, the system currently under attack.
- The Blue-And-Yellow marker is Alex's currently position at the Leido Crossroads.
- The yellow star one jump down and to the left from Alex's current position is Azimol (Not on the current route).

icekatze wrote:
Presumably six divisions is larger than Sala-128 is confident in handling alone, but are the Umiak in a position to win in plain old massed frontal offensive?

I wonder if the "Bypass the Azimol Citadel" claim actually means the Umiak just ignored Azimol and charged into the hinterlands from another angle. Sala-128 seems to have a jump point behind Azimol and that particular star ("Enedd" i think?) has a jump point that leads farther inwards in the Loroi territory. The interdiction fleets are apparently tied up - and 2-3th destroyed - by the diversionary attack so it is possible the 6 divisions hit the Loroi heavy defence fleet head-on.

If the 6 divisions hit Sala-128 without being weakened by interdiction fleets (And perhaps unexpected!) it might just be possible to break through it before reinforcements can arrive. The heavy defence fleet is likely only stationed at the perimeter so 6 divisions heading into the hinterlands may be a very tough nut to crack by the likely "weaker" system defence forces. Keep in mind that space superiority is all that's needed to turn a planet to slag if so desired so this may end up being quite damaging. That said, this is mostly conjuncture so who knows what the next pages will bring us!


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Excellion wrote:
If the 6 divisions hit Sala-128 without being weakened by interdiction fleets (And perhaps unexpected!) it might just be possible to break through it before reinforcements can arrive. The heavy defence fleet is likely only stationed at the perimeter so 6 divisions heading into the hinterlands may be a very tough nut to crack by the likely "weaker" system defence forces. Keep in mind that space superiority is all that's needed to turn a planet to slag if so desired so this may end up being quite damaging. That said, this is mostly conjuncture so who knows what the next pages will bring us!


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Excellion wrote:
If the 6 divisions hit Sala-128 without being weakened by interdiction fleets (And perhaps unexpected!) it might just be possible to break through it before reinforcements can arrive. The heavy defence fleet is likely only stationed at the perimeter so 6 divisions heading into the hinterlands may be a very tough nut to crack by the likely "weaker" system defence forces. Keep in mind that space superiority is all that's needed to turn a planet to slag if so desired so this may end up being quite damaging. That said, this is mostly conjuncture so who knows what the next pages will bring us!


Unsure. Umiak combat doctrine is to throw everything and the kitchen sink at an opposing force, but the location of the attack makes me suspicious. It is close to the Bellarmine wreck - only about three or four jumps away. If the Umiak really think the Loroi salvaged something important out of it or that there is still something to be found, they may have pulled together a larger force to counter any heightened Loroi activity.

Or, the Umiak try to move in between the Union core systems and Naam and its neighboring systems, hoping that the Bellarmine might not have been a unique case and they could bag one or two more of the things the Loroi had been interested in. Preferably without any pesky blueskin interfering.

Remember. Ellen Kirkland is still unaccounted for. It's very much possible that the Umiak did pick up something of value, and they're back for more.


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Just jump-capable ships. The division that attacked SG-51 on pp.68-84 was a pretty typical medium Umiak division: 8 heavies, 64 medium vessels, and about 50 light vessels and gunboats.


So that averages out to just under 750 battleships total.

Jeez.


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raistlin34 wrote:
Arioch wrote:
CrimsonFALKE wrote:
How large is a bug's division?

It varies, but a typical Umiak division is around 75 vessels.


Quoting Captain Obvious, "this is bad, isn´t"? :?


Only so-so. They're attacking over a broad front with, in all honestly, a force too small to seize and hold territory. They can cause a shitload of damage, but no way in hell is this a main push. It's a big attack, yeah, but only in the number of ships. Smart space elf officers will focus fire on individual battle groups to break off sections of the Unimak flotillas, then surround and destroy with smaller and faster vessels.

Six divisions sounds huge. But in military parlance, it's just enough combat power to pick a fight you can't win, or get stuck in too far.


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Yet, very few atomic missiles breaching the defenses will suffice to rob the Union an important C&C centre, therefore impairing the Unions' ability to coordinate the fight in that sector until the new structure is fully in place and the uninhabitable planets and stations in that system evacuated and salvaged.
The attack force is large enough to possibly overwhelm the defenses.

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You all seem to ignore Beryl's comment in page 119.
"Enemy attacks on the front are common."

Tallon nor Beryl appear too worried. Concerned, yes, but nothing more.

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