WIP Discussion (Part 1!)

[Mr Bojangles]

Bah! Where the hell is its tail number?

Sweet design. Arioch, if you don't mind my asking, how big is that shuttle? I noticed in your sketches of Loroi fighter craft that there was a pilot next to them to show scale.

[Arioch]

It's roughly 60m long with the vanes extended.

[Mr Bojangles]

60 meters? That pretty big. Would this qualify as a large shuttle, or do the Loroi have even bigger shuttles capable of planetfall?

[Tamren]

I'm sure they have bigger cargo haulers and smaller spartan troop transports.

This one is essentially the Loroi equivalent of a Learjet.

[Mr Bojangles]

I'm sure they have bigger cargo haulers and smaller spartan troop transports.

This one is essentially the Loroi equivalent of a Learjet.

You are most likely right. I imagine that they would have larger spacecraft to fill out different roles. But, for a large cargo hauler, capable of transporting thousands of tons of materiel, would it necessarily be able to make planetfall, let alone lift off from the planet? If Loroi gravitic control is good enough, then it probably would. Otherwise, getting that much mass into orbit is very expensive.

Of course, given Loroi tech, maybe they use space elevators to lift those kinds of loads into orbit. At least on planets well away from the front lines. The elevator's counterweight would make for a big, non-maneuverable target.

[Arioch]

The most common shuttle types are listed at the bottom of the ship classes page.

Basically, a standard shuttle is about 30m, and a large shuttle about 60. Most shuttles will be specialized either for space-only duty or transatmospheric duty. The Highland is a VIP transport, so it has a relatively small payload but high acceleration, inertial dampers that allow it to take passengers at full acceleration, and trans-atmospheric capability. It's an expensive "Admiral's gig" that you would normally only find on squadron flagships or citadels.

For comparison, a B-52 is about 50m long, and a 747 is about 70m long.

[NOMAD]

well, that is interesting, give the size differences. i thought it would be been smaller :/ but i guess if you have interia dampers and class i shields you need a big ships ( got to keep those high ranker officer protect and in comfort ) .

I really like the lifting body type hull, but retains the loroi spaced thruster assemblies (with deployable heat sinks for space ?).

what I also like is the landing gear, man that is a big set and odd arrangement

[javcs]

well, that is interesting, give the size differences. i thought it would be been smaller :/ but i guess if you have interia dampers and class i shields you need a big ships ( got to keep those high ranker officer protect and in comfort ) .

I really like the lifting body type hull, but retains the loroi spaced thruster assemblies (with deployable heat sinks for space ?).

what I also like is the landing gear, man that is a big set and odd arrangement

How do you see the landing gear as an odd arrangement? It makes a fair amount of sense to me - unlike aircraft, where the vast majority of mass is centrally located, it looks like it's spread out a great deal more in this shuttle. Reminds me a little bit of ... what was it called ... a flying wing prototype bomber that was worked on in WW2 by the USA, was being designed in anticipation of Great Britain falling to the Nazis, and was intended to be a transatlantic bomber. Don't remember how far along it got, but it had a similar (loosely speaking) theory behind landing gear distribution.

[Arioch]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_YB-35
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_YB-49
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_G ... B-2_Spirit

[GeoModder]

The most common shuttle types are listed at the bottom of the ship classes page.

Basically, a standard shuttle is about 30m, and a large shuttle about 60. Most shuttles will be specialized either for space-only duty or transatmospheric duty. The Highland is a VIP transport, so it has a relatively small payload but high acceleration, inertial dampers that allow it to take passengers at full acceleration, and trans-atmospheric capability. It's an expensive "Admiral's gig" that you would normally only find on squadron flagships or citadels.

For comparison, a B-52 is about 50m long, and a 747 is about 70m long.

Are you telling us Tempest has a Highland-class shuttle in its small craft bay?
Peculiar craft to have onboard a ship participating in a raid. I'd have thought some extra interceptors would do more good.

[fredgiblet]

Are you telling us Tempest has a Highland-class shuttle in its small craft bay?
Peculiar craft to have onboard a ship participating in a raid. I'd have thought some extra interceptors would do more good.

Stillstorm's gotta have her sweet rig man.

[GeoModder]

Stillstorm's gotta have her sweet rig man.

But she's in bad odor with the emperor herself?

[Mr Bojangles]

The most common shuttle types are listed at the bottom of the ship classes page.

Basically, a standard shuttle is about 30m, and a large shuttle about 60. Most shuttles will be specialized either for space-only duty or transatmospheric duty. The Highland is a VIP transport, so it has a relatively small payload but high acceleration, inertial dampers that allow it to take passengers at full acceleration, and trans-atmospheric capability. It's an expensive "Admiral's gig" that you would normally only find on squadron flagships or citadels.

For comparison, a B-52 is about 50m long, and a 747 is about 70m long.

So, the Highland is a fully loaded sports package?

And thanks for the link. I find myself curious about how the Loroi handle logistics...

[Karst45]

Peculiar craft to have onboard a ship participating in a raid. I'd have thought some extra interceptors would do more good.

your free to tell her (stillstorm) that see how it go

[Count Casimir]

I would actually imagine that the shuttle was stationed wherever SG-51 has just shown up, and it hopped over to Tempest to pick Alex up.

[Mr Bojangles]

I would actually imagine that the shuttle was stationed wherever SG-51 has just shown up, and it hopped over to Tempest to pick Alex up.

Well, looking at the Loroi ship classes page, the Tempest has one large shuttle. The Highland is a large shuttle, sooooo...

Or, it could have already been parked at wherever they happen to be.

[NOMAD]

well, that is interesting, give the size differences. i thought it would be been smaller :/ but i guess if you have interia dampers and class i shields you need a big ships ( got to keep those high ranker officer protect and in comfort ) .

I really like the lifting body type hull, but retains the loroi spaced thruster assemblies (with deployable heat sinks for space ?).

what I also like is the landing gear, man that is a big set and odd arrangement

How do you see the landing gear as an odd arrangement? It makes a fair amount of sense to me - unlike aircraft, where the vast majority of mass is centrally located, it looks like it's spread out a great deal more in this shuttle. Reminds me a little bit of ... what was it called ... a flying wing prototype bomber that was worked on in WW2 by the USA, was being designed in anticipation of Great Britain falling to the Nazis, and was intended to be a transatlantic bomber. Don't remember how far along it got, but it had a similar (loosely speaking) theory behind landing gear distribution.

Well I just thought of it as weird arrangement, but your right it does make alot of sense ( to spread out the weight of such a large vessal). and its does reminds me of the YB-35 and YB-49 ( and sucessor B-2), nice point Arioch. The shapce does remind me of the lifting body prototype X-planes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lifting_body , but more advance ( as in 3-5 generations).

as for why the Tempest would have a Highland shuttle, it would fit given the size difference between the command cruiser and shuttle. beside I`m sure Still-Storm still has a few friends behind lines to get a nice ship. Or another opinion, it could be their just to bring Alex to where ever hes going and not attach to the 51st fleet .

[Tamren]

The landing gear looks like 4 legs parallel and one leg forward. Makes sense. The wider back set of wheels distributes the weight and having a single set up front allows you to steer. If the wheels were in any other configuration it would make runway landings a little odd.

[Mikk]

Actually I think it's more like the pentagonal 5 landing gear layout that we have on big passenger airplanes. A rear pair under the fuselage + a slightly forward pair wider apart at the base of the wings + the forward gear.

E: ref: 747, A380

[Michael]

well, that is interesting, give the size differences. i thought it would be been smaller :/ but i guess if you have interia dampers and class i shields you need a big ships ( got to keep those high ranker officer protect and in comfort ) .

I really like the lifting body type hull, but retains the loroi spaced thruster assemblies (with deployable heat sinks for space ?).

what I also like is the landing gear, man that is a big set and odd arrangement

How do you see the landing gear as an odd arrangement? It makes a fair amount of sense to me - unlike aircraft, where the vast majority of mass is centrally located, it looks like it's spread out a great deal more in this shuttle. Reminds me a little bit of ... what was it called ... a flying wing prototype bomber that was worked on in WW2 by the USA, was being designed in anticipation of Great Britain falling to the Nazis, and was intended to be a transatlantic bomber. Don't remember how far along it got, but it had a similar (loosely speaking) theory behind landing gear distribution.

its just a wing bomber, the idea was ditched at the time as there was no way a pilot could control the plane "dead stick", she was simply too unstable and a humane couldn't steer without on board computers, i believe the latest incarnation of the "wing bomber" is the B2-F117 might be wrong though, however the F117 is more similar to the Highland VIP shuttle craft. the vanes are they? the bits that flip out are probably gonna be for atmospheric steering, unless she has vectored steering system? like the Harrier jump jet or the F22 Raptor, where the jets exhausts (where the flames come out) move to direct the thrust.