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When mizols from different nations meet for diplomatic negotiations, do they use sanzai or spoken words with their counterparts?
Depends on the situation. If relations are unfriendly, diplomats use the spoken word; if they are more friendly, telepathy may be used. If the delegates are forming an alliance, by tradition they have a "truth-telling" session in which they touch hands to demonstrate goodwill and their honest intentions.

Note that the Mizol are a Perrein tradition, adopted by the Deinar Loroi after contact. The Deinar Loroi had their own diplomatic corps, but they did not possess the full range of Perrein Mizol abilities.
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Beryl is a listel tozet on the Tempest - did anyone report to her?
Tempest has two Tozet Listel and a number of subordinates; Beryl is the more senior and therefore technically the department head. Listel activities are fairly well defined, so Beryl doesn't do much in the way of bossing people around, aside from senior staff meetings with the commander and regular meetings among the Listel to interchange information.

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Arioch wrote:Beryl doesn't do much in the way of bossing people around, aside from senior staff meetings with the commander and regular meetings among the Listel to interchange information.
This reads like Beryl bossed Stilli around. No wonder she got kicked off.

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If Loroi civilians are not permitted to reproduce, or rather can reproduce if they are influential and/or wealthy enough, what use does a civilian have to birthing their own child if said child cannot be admitted to being a warrior? Do they desire an heir of sorts? Or do they simply want a child for the feeling of fulfilment and love that comes with parenthood?

In fact, are there Loroi orphans? Is adoption a thing among Loroi cultures? Or at least might have been in ancient times? I could imagine why a Loroi male born from a civilian might be taken from his mother to be cared for in a monastery as a ward of the state.

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Snoofman wrote:
Mon May 03, 2021 8:43 pm
If Loroi civilians are not permitted to reproduce, or rather can reproduce if they are influential and/or wealthy enough, what use does a civilian have to birthing their own child if said child cannot be admitted to being a warrior? Do they desire an heir of sorts? Or do they simply want a child for the feeling of fulfilment and love that comes with parenthood?
What use does any person have birthing their own child? It's a biological impulse to pass on one's own genes; those organisms that don't have the impulse go extinct. The majority of Loroi civilians were born to warrior mothers, so are part of the same genetic pool; any typical civilian has the same impulse to bear children as any typical warrior (though both need to be able to accept the significant possibility that they may not be able to). Earth peasants or other underclasses don't stop having children just because those children are forbidden from rising in social rank.

Another point to consider that while a female child of a civilian is not eligible to become a warrior, a male child of a civilian isn't treated any differently under the law than a male child of a warrior. He will be at a disadvantage in terms of starting social status, but he will still be mated primarily with warrior females, and if he distinguishes himself in his vocation he may rise in status to the same degree that any other male might. So having a male child is a way of getting your genes back into the system.

An influential civilian female who amassed a large amount of wealth may feel the need to have a biological legacy to pass her wealth down to, and a desire to found her own dynasty, and perhaps even her own civilian subculture. A number of powerful multinational corporations have achieved this, with multi-generational civilian offspring inheriting their parents' wealth and power, and even gaining tentative control over the mating rights of some of their male offspring. (Though since the leaders of some of these groups tried to overthrow the government in 2140, there are fewer of these now than there used to be.)

The vast majority of Loroi civilians are not permitted to have children, and even some of those who are influential enough to possibly arrange it choose not to, as they prefer to spend their political capital on other things.
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In fact, are there Loroi orphans? Is adoption a thing among Loroi cultures? Or at least might have been in ancient times? I could imagine why a Loroi male born from a civilian might be taken from his mother to be cared for in a monastery as a ward of the state.
Loroi society isn't based on the nuclear families the way ours is; the traditional Loroi family is communal, excluding fathers and including a wide range of extended female relatives. Because most mothers are military, it is common from them to be unavailable at times, and may become casualties. Loroi without influential family connections are raised by the state. Beryl would be an "orphan" by our standards, as her mother died when she was still an infant, and her relations were too distant and lacking in resources to have a hand in her upbringing, but this is a common circumstance for Loroi children.

As mentioned above, males are considered outside the class system; they are considered wards of the state, and are usually raised by specialists from a young age.

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Arioch wrote:
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Yes, but they are not seen often. There have been interspecies conferences in which the rules required that delegates attend in person, and in these cases small numbers of live Historians have been seen. But they did not seem to engage much in conversation or debate during these functions; the constructs conducted most of the public business. In particular, the Historians gave the Loroi delegates a wide berth.
What will be the reactions of the Union assembly members when Humanity sends it's envoys to them? I know I'm asking too much, and I mostly think we won't see this in this comic. I'd wager there will be a lot of heated political dialogue, especially from Barsams, Delrias.

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What will be the reactions of the Union assembly members when Humanity sends it's envoys to them? I know I'm asking too much, and I mostly think we won't see this in this comic. I'd wager there will be a lot of heated political dialogue, especially from Barsams, Delrias.
Well, we've already seen one reaction from a Barsam. The comic will get more into the political situation, but beyond that I cannot say.

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How many talents might a Loroi civilian have to pay to have a mating encounter with a male?

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How many talents might a Loroi civilian have to pay to have a mating encounter with a male?
The only world where a Loroi might be able to pay for that is on Maia, and that's still unlikely. You can't just pay for a quick screw like you can on Earth, encounters have to be given, and arranged.

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It would be very expensive. I think an analogy might be trying to buy membership in a super-exclusive golf club. You'd have to tick a bunch of snooty-reputation boxes; a truckload of cash by itself wouldn't do the job.

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It would be very expensive. I think an analogy might be trying to buy membership in a super-exclusive golf club. You'd have to tick a bunch of snooty-reputation boxes; a truckload of cash by itself wouldn't do the job.
So let's say a talent costs about 5000 dollars (just my guess based on Outsider lore), and admission to a mating encounter costs about the same as say joining the Augusta National Golf Club of Georgia (about 250000 to 500000 dollars), that would mean the cost of mating with a Loroi male could cost 50 to 100 talents. Additional fees may apply. Imperial verdict may revoke your request. See your local Loroi caretaker for details. :mrgreen:

Is that about right?

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I have been speaking about this in the abstract and hypothetical (I said "if" one could buy sex), because I'm not really prepared to say that this is definitely something that happens or how regular it is. Specifying dollar amounts of how much it would cost is a little bit more specific than I'd like to be with this kind of thing.

Sorry if this seems arbitrary.

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Arioch wrote:
Sat May 08, 2021 7:52 pm
I have been speaking about this in the abstract and hypothetical (I said "if" one could buy sex), because I'm not really prepared to say that this is definitely something that happens or how regular it is. Specifying dollar amounts of how much it would cost is a little bit more specific than I'd like to be with this kind of thing.

Sorry if this seems arbitrary.
No worries. Perhaps it's wise not to get too obsessed with tiny or trivial details.

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Arioch wrote:
Sat May 08, 2021 7:52 pm
I have been speaking about this in the abstract and hypothetical (I said "if" one could buy sex), because I'm not really prepared to say that this is definitely something that happens or how regular it is. Specifying dollar amounts of how much it would cost is a little bit more specific than I'd like to be with this kind of thing.

Sorry if this seems arbitrary.
Why not draw the comparison of a commoner marrying into nobility? It took money, but wasn't really about paying a lumb sum straight up. Rather using that money to wield enough influence.
I wouldn't be surprised to hear if quite a few of civvie corporations receive mating rights semi-regularly, if those corporations are well connected to the local powers and able to provide their needs in an uncomplicated, expedient way.

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Snoofman wrote:
Sat May 08, 2021 12:22 pm
Arioch wrote:
Fri May 07, 2021 11:12 pm
It would be very expensive. I think an analogy might be trying to buy membership in a super-exclusive golf club. You'd have to tick a bunch of snooty-reputation boxes; a truckload of cash by itself wouldn't do the job.
So let's say a talent costs about 5000 dollars (just my guess based on Outsider lore), and admission to a mating encounter costs about the same as say joining the Augusta National Golf Club of Georgia (about 250000 to 500000 dollars), that would mean the cost of mating with a Loroi male could cost 50 to 100 talents. Additional fees may apply. Imperial verdict may revoke your request. See your local Loroi caretaker for details. :mrgreen:

Is that about right?
Just a comment on your example: my understanding (granted from Wikipedia, but also from remembering news stories) is that Augusta does not have an application process. They decide who can apply - I'm not sure how stringent the application process is at that point, or if it is more the case that if you are allowed to apply, you will be accepted. And Augusta has not been solely interested in the money - it was not until 1990 that they accepted an African American member (after public focus on the issue from what I remember) and did not accept women members until 2012 (I was not paying much attention to golf at that time so I didn't really follow that news). In my mind, that example would serve to emphasize that breeding rights are more about who the loroi is (their social connections and influence) than what they are (how much money they have to spend).

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Do the portable Loroi psi-amplifiers (like Fireblade and Ashrain's) require any kind of power source, or do they just function for a compatible user (possibly drawing power from their mind)?

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Do the portable Loroi psi-amplifiers (like Fireblade and Ashrain's) require any kind of power source, or do they just function for a compatible user (possibly drawing power from their mind)?
Amplifiers do not require power. They can be thought of as functioning like a lens... is the shape and material that does the job, rather than using power to boost the effect.

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Arioch wrote:
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inxsi wrote:
Sun May 09, 2021 2:00 pm
Do the portable Loroi psi-amplifiers (like Fireblade and Ashrain's) require any kind of power source, or do they just function for a compatible user (possibly drawing power from their mind)?
Amplifiers do not require power. They can be thought of as functioning like a lens... is the shape and material that does the job, rather than using power to boost the effect.
Are there any special materials that are used to make them?
In 40K there are psyactive crystals that are used for this purpose. Will we be introduced to their inner workings in the comic or discussion threads?

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Dan Wyatt wrote:
Mon May 10, 2021 1:47 am
Arioch wrote:
Sun May 09, 2021 8:10 pm
inxsi wrote:
Sun May 09, 2021 2:00 pm
Do the portable Loroi psi-amplifiers (like Fireblade and Ashrain's) require any kind of power source, or do they just function for a compatible user (possibly drawing power from their mind)?
Amplifiers do not require power. They can be thought of as functioning like a lens... is the shape and material that does the job, rather than using power to boost the effect.
Are there any special materials that are used to make them?
In 40K there are psyactive crystals that are used for this purpose. Will we be introduced to their inner workings in the comic or discussion threads?
I imagine some kind of crystal lattice... not some kind of rare unobtanium, but rather a sophisticated materials technology required to duplicated them.

I'm not sure how deeply we will get into the specifics, but the subject will certainly come up when the large Farseer passive amplifiers are introduced.

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Arioch wrote:
Mon May 10, 2021 2:49 am
Dan Wyatt wrote:
Mon May 10, 2021 1:47 am
Arioch wrote:
Sun May 09, 2021 8:10 pm

Amplifiers do not require power. They can be thought of as functioning like a lens... is the shape and material that does the job, rather than using power to boost the effect.
Are there any special materials that are used to make them?
In 40K there are psyactive crystals that are used for this purpose. Will we be introduced to their inner workings in the comic or discussion threads?
I imagine some kind of crystal lattice... not some kind of rare unobtanium, but rather a sophisticated materials technology required to duplicated them.

I'm not sure how deeply we will get into the specifics, but the subject will certainly come up when the large Farseer passive amplifiers are introduced.
Cool! Nice to know :D
We'll be eagerly waiting for the next updates :)

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Just a general tech question. If I remember right, you said that the artificial gravity in the ships in Outsider is something that is discovered as part of the development of the jump drive. Is there any way to adjust the artificial gravity for parts of a ship, or is it basically uniform throughout the ship?

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