Miscellaneous Umiak/misc. races question-and-answer thread

[dragoongfa]

So what will a [...] cough potato say [...]?

*cough*, *cough*?

Sorry, couldn't resist....

(S)He might take the money offered, but might not take any conclusions from having taken money. They have nothing you could take away from them if they still have kids anyway.

In India they usually give the money after someone gets sterilized. The problem is that those who do get sterilized have already popped out 3 to 4 kids on average.

[Arioch]

Or did they somehow just put an umiak brain in a loroi body or a robotic humanoid body creating a cyborg?

Yes. Gruesome, isn't it?

The Umiak brain in an robotic loroi body should be technically possible but easy to expose.

They were all rather easily exposed (telepathy being very useful in this case), so they were used more for shock/terror value than true infiltration. However, you can see why the Loroi might be anxious about the prospect of an Umiak construct that can't be telepathically read.

[GeoModder]

Arioch, about precursor empire/races. Has the Bulan star system been given a location within the Local Bubble? And if so, were is it located?

[Arioch]

Arioch, about precursor empire/races. Has the Bulan star system been given a location within the Local Bubble? And if so, were is it located?

Yes, Bulan is located in Union territory, in what used to be a Mannadi system. Bulan is just the first of several systems in which the ancient cratering of that era was recognized.

[GeoModder]

Mannadi space seems to have been rife with 'artifact' star systems. First Maia and its 'moon', and now the Bulan system.

[Zakharra]

I do not know if this has been asked yet, but it says in the Umiak section of the Insider, that the crews of the Umiak ships often have members of the construction teams (workers and engineers) as a part of the ship crew. Since this means that many trained shipyard crews leave their posts to continue to work on and serve the vessel they make, (necessitating replacing a highly trained shipyard dog), does this actively hamper the Umiak's ship construction rate? If the Umiak at the shipyard stayed to build more ships, they should be able to churn them out a little faster since those workers who stay at their jobs get to be very highly skilled.

[Arioch]

I do not know if this has been asked yet, but it says in the Umiak section of the Insider, that the crews of the Umiak ships often have members of the construction teams (workers and engineers) as a part of the ship crew. Since this means that many trained shipyard crews leave their posts to continue to work on and serve the vessel they make, (necessitating replacing a highly trained shipyard dog), does this actively hamper the Umiak's ship construction rate? If the Umiak at the shipyard stayed to build more ships, they should be able to churn them out a little faster since those workers who stay at their jobs get to be very highly skilled.

Umiak shipyards get a constant influx of new workers. With each ship that's launched, some of the workers and engineers that built the ship will join the ship's crew, but most will stay on to build the next ship. There should always be a mix of senior engineers, mid-level workers, and novices at the yard.

[sunphoenix]

Umiak do have recreational activities, though Umiak military crews often don't have much in the way of personal time. One "recreational" activity that Umiak crews engage in while on duty, even and especially in times of action and stress, is "singing." It's a group call-and-response chant kind of thing, sometimes accompanied by percussion, with words and rhythm but no melody (dare we call it... group rapping?).

I'm now imagining an umiak on stage with a microphone, having a rap battle with a Loroi, both of them are all tatted out and are wearing sagging pants and flak vests.

thanks for that mental image.

Notorious, B.U.G.!

[sunphoenix]

eeeeeeeeeeEEEEEEPIC RAP BATTLES OF HISTORYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!

STILLSTORM!

VERSUS!

KIKITIK-27!

BEGIN

What's the population of the umiak compared to lorii populations? How much are the lorii outnumbered?

Nobody knows. The Loroi do not know the extent of Umiak territory, and (as is the case with many subjects) the Umiak they capture don't know either.

Y'know.. the more I read about the Umiak.. the more I'm convinced they are some kind of runaway wind-up conquest war-machine that whoever started... lost positive control over a loooong time ago.. and its been 'mostly' mindlessly running ever since!

[RedDwarfIV]

eeeeeeeeeeEEEEEEPIC RAP BATTLES OF HISTORYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!

STILLSTORM!

VERSUS!

KIKITIK-27!

BEGIN

What's the population of the umiak compared to lorii populations? How much are the lorii outnumbered?

Nobody knows. The Loroi do not know the extent of Umiak territory, and (as is the case with many subjects) the Umiak they capture don't know either.

Y'know.. the more I read about the Umiak.. the more I'm convinced they are some kind of runaway wind-up conquest war-machine that whoever started... lost positive control over a loooong time ago.. and its been 'mostly' mindlessly running ever since!

So... like the biological equivalent of Berserkers?

[sunphoenix]

Yeah... like that.

[Sweforce]

I do not know if this has been asked yet, but it says in the Umiak section of the Insider, that the crews of the Umiak ships often have members of the construction teams (workers and engineers) as a part of the ship crew. Since this means that many trained shipyard crews leave their posts to continue to work on and serve the vessel they make, (necessitating replacing a highly trained shipyard dog), does this actively hamper the Umiak's ship construction rate? If the Umiak at the shipyard stayed to build more ships, they should be able to churn them out a little faster since those workers who stay at their jobs get to be very highly skilled.

Umiak shipyards get a constant influx of new workers. With each ship that's launched, some of the workers and engineers that built the ship will join the ship's crew, but most will stay on to build the next ship. There should always be a mix of senior engineers, mid-level workers, and novices at the yard.

This reminds me of an old war movie produced just shortly after WWII where some of the crew actually did work on building the ship, a destroyer if I remember rightly. Perhaps these things do happens for real.

[Tamri]

This piece of issues mainly in the uniak so is available here.

1) The frigates are the same subships as gunboats / corvettes?

2) What are the torpedoes used by the attacking team in the battle of Naam? And is it possible to direct them to the ships? We are just here to argue to the conclusion that the use of HXLR Torpedos for the umiak would be more logical to take a big acceleration, then at a distance of 40 minutes flight to shoot torpedoes and correcting their course, come on the heels volley, attacking the much higher speeds that reduce the window to intercept and allow more torpedoes pass area of ​​missile defense, and thus attack. And the ships after volley glean surviving enemies.

3) The question of the characteristics of torpedoes: data were calculated based on the performance characteristics, or "approximately"? Just then we calculated the characteristics, all right, or something is wrong?

SpoilerShow

1. High-power long range torpedo,
Length: 24m,
Weight: 80 tons,
Maximum acceleration: 50 g,
Acceleration time at a maximum acceleration of 60 minutes,
Fuel capacity: 300 units (1 unit 800 tons of fuel rods for 1 minute).
Reserve characteristic velocity: 1.8 Mm|108 Mm / min.
Boost phase at the start with zero speed: 3.18 Gm(Gigameter)

2. FMR Torpedo - fast medium range torpedo,
Length: 15 m
Weight: 30 tons,
Maximum acceleration: 60 g,
Acceleration time at a maximum acceleration of 27 minutes,
Fuel capacity: 160 units (1 unit of fuel at 303.75 tons of traction for 1 minute).
Stock CV: 0.972 Mm|58.3 Mm / min.
BP at the start with zero speed: 771.57 Mm

3. Not marked.

4. FSR Torpedo - fast short range torpedo,
Length: 9 m
Weight: 16 tons,
Maximum acceleration: 60 g,
Acceleration time at a maximum acceleration of 13 minutes,
Fuel capacity: 80 units (1 unit of fuel per 156 tons of traction for 1 minute).
Stock CV: 0,468 mm / 28.08 mm / min.
BP at the start with zero speed: 178.87 Mm

5. Blister "Rockeye" - with cassette torpedo warhead carrying 30 AMM "Gimlet".
Length: 22 m,
Weight: 80 tons,
Maximum acceleration: 60 g,
Acceleration time at a maximum acceleration of 10 minutes,
Fuel capacity: 50 units (1 unit of fuel per 960 tons of traction for 1 minute).
Stock CV: 0.36 Mm|21.6 Mm / min.
BP at the start with zero speed: 105.84 Mm

14. sub-munitions. AMM "Gimlet".
Length: 2 m
Weight: 1 ton,
Maximum acceleration: 400 g,
Acceleration at maximum acceleration: less than 30 seconds,
Warhead: kinetic interceptor 50 kg (Done - 1)
Effective range: 7 Mm.
Margin CV: 0.12 Mm|7.2 Mm / min.
BP at the start with zero speed: 1.764 Mm

6. XMR Torpedo - multiple drive nozzles medium range torpedo,
The characteristics of this type do not have.

7. Blister "Scatter Pack" - with cassette torpedo warhead carrying 27 mikrotorped short range.
Length: 27 m,
Weight: 160 tons,
Maximum acceleration: 50 g,
Acceleration time at a maximum acceleration of 15 minutes,
Fuel capacity: 60 units (1 unit 2000 tons of fuel rods for 1 minute).
Margin CV: 0.45 Mm/s, 27 Mm/min.
BP at the start with zero speed: 198.45 Mm

7.5. Micro SR torpedo,
Length: 3 m
Weight: 5 tons,
Maximum acceleration: 60 g,
Acceleration at maximum acceleration: 2 and 2/3 minutes (160 seconds)
Fuel capacity: 16 units (1 unit of fuel by 50 tons of traction for 1 minute).
Stock CV: 0,096 Mm|5.76 Mm / min.
BP at the start with zero speed: 7.5264 Mm

8. Do not signed.

9. Do not signed.

10. HMR Torpedo - high-power medium range torpedo,
Length: 18 m,
Weight: 40 tons,
Maximum acceleration: 55 g,
Acceleration time at a maximum acceleration of 45 minutes,
Fuel capacity: 250 units (1 unit of fuel per 396 tons of traction for 1 minute).
Stock CV: 1,485 Mm|89.1 Mm / min.
BP at the start with zero speed: 1.97 Gm

11. It is not signed.

12. HLR Torpedo - high-power long range torpedo,
Length: 24 m,
Weight: 80 tons,
Maximum acceleration: 50 g,
Acceleration time at a maximum acceleration of 60 minutes,
Fuel capacity: 300 units (1 unit 800 tons of fuel rods for 1 minute).
CV margin: 1.8 Mm/s, 108 Mm/min.
BP at the start with zero speed: 3.18 Gm(similarly №1 ? )

13. HXLR Torpedo - high-power extra long range torpedo,
Length: 30 m
Weight: 120 tons,
Maximum acceleration: 50 g,
Acceleration time at a maximum acceleration of 80 minutes,
Fuel capacity: 400 units (1 unit 1200 tons of fuel rods for 1 minute).
CV margin: 2.4 Mm/s, 144 Mm/min.
BP at the start with zero speed: 5.65 Gm

14. AMM "Gimlet", described earlier, after paragraph 5.

15. Do not signed.

16. XMR + Torpedo - multiple drive nozzles increased medium range torpedo,
Length: 12 m
Weight: 27 tons,
Maximum acceleration: 55 g,
Acceleration time at a maximum acceleration of 20 minutes,
Fuel capacity: 150 units (1 unit of fuel per 198 tons of traction for 1 minute).
Stock CV: 0.66 Mm|39.6 Mm / min.
BP at the start with zero speed: 388.08 Mm

17. Do not signed.

18. Do not signed.

19. Do not legible, it seems redrawn HLR from №1, at least on the frame 2 of 77 pages is such a torpedo.
Torpedo high power long range.
Length: 24 m,
Weight: 80 tons,
Maximum acceleration: 50 g,
Acceleration time at a maximum acceleration of 60 minutes,
Fuel capacity: 300 units (1 unit 800 tons of fuel rods for 1 minute).
Reserve characteristic velocity: 1.8 Mm|108 Mm / min.
BP at the start with zero speed: 3.18 Gm

20. Do not signed.

21. XHSR Torpedo - multiple drive nozzles, high-power short range torpedo,
Length: 8 m
Weight: 25 tons,
Maximum acceleration: 60 g,
Acceleration time at a maximum acceleration of 20 minutes,
Fuel capacity: 150 units (1 unit of fuel per 200 tons of traction for 1 minute).
Margin MS: 0.72 Mm|43.2 Mm / min.
BP at the start with zero speed: 423.36 Mm

Without Numbers - torpedo signed "SR" on antimissile "Gimlet" №14. The characteristics of a no.

4) How to blow blisters with "Tolots" of umiak ships on the page 83? Just when they were allowed to opposite course, then why the attack is shown with a tail and why they don't break on the way? If allowed into the tail, how they managed to catch up with them, if "tolot" even if the blister will burn their 12 minutes of flight time are not dispersed over 400 km\s?

5) About how long did it take the fight to the Naam since launch torpedoes, and to stop the persecution? What an umiak attack rate?

6) Loroi physiologically and anatomically roughly adequate to humans or there differences? Well, except for acute ear, absolutely any hair color and hemocyanin instead of hemoglobin?))

7) Umiak is carried out major repairs and refurbishments of their ships, such as the replacement of engines, reactors, cancellers or fuel depots? In loroi and umiak unitary mounts and weapons subsystems, or for each unit is their mounting point? In what form is carried out maintenance and scheduled maintenance at loroi (technical corridors and unitary mounting or planning with the need to get here to the problem through communication nodes and internal)? Is it possible lifting of the engine pylon from loroi ships and replacing it with the whole filling if necessary? Does either side modification obsolete ships up to modern standards by replacing the weapons and the filling or obsolete ships immediately go to the reserve / scrapped?

[Arioch]

1) The frigates are the same subships as gunboats / corvettes?

Frigates are a different size class, larger than corvettes, but smaller than destroyers.

2) What are the torpedoes used by the attacking team in the battle of Naam?

The torpedoes seen in pages 75-80 include HMR, HLR, SR, Rockeyes, Scatter Packs, FSR, FMR.

And is it possible to direct them to the ships? We are just here to argue to the conclusion that the use of HXLR Torpedos for the umiak would be more logical to take a big acceleration, then at a distance of 40 minutes flight to shoot torpedoes and correcting their course, come on the heels volley, attacking the much higher speeds that reduce the window to intercept and allow more torpedoes pass area of ​​missile defense, and thus attack. And the ships after volley glean surviving enemies.

Torpedoes can change course and maneuver at any point during flight, but it's important to remember that in space, pointing the missile in a new direction doesn't mean it's now traveling in that direction; velocity must be built up and canceled out. Also, although I classify torpedoes as "LR", "MR" and "SR", this refers to the amount of fuel they carry and therefore how long they can accelerate, but it really doesn't refer to the torpedo's range. In space, range in essentially unlimited, and even a short-range torpedo can hit a target at very long range; it just takes longer to get there as it can only burn its engine for so long.

I don't think I understand the rest of what you're saying here.

3) The question of the characteristics of torpedoes: data were calculated based on the performance characteristics, or "approximately"? Just then we calculated the characteristics, all right, or something is wrong?

The image in question here is a piece of concept art, and not meant to be a definitive list of Umiak torpedo types. Some concepts were not used (mostly the ones that aren't colored or labeled), and others look slightly different in the comic. Most of them are already labeled, so I'm not going to go down the list and try to describe each one. The idea for the Umiak is that they use a wide variety of different munitions, sometimes customized, and so you won't always know exactly what you're looking at.

4) How to blow blisters with "Tolots" of umiak ships on the page 83? Just when they were allowed to opposite course, then why the attack is shown with a tail and why they don't break on the way? If allowed into the tail, how they managed to catch up with them, if "tolot" even if the blister will burn their 12 minutes of flight time are not dispersed over 400 km\s?

Again, the 12 minutes is maximum engine burn time, not total flight time. A torpedo doesn't have to accelerate for its total flight time. At longer ranges a torpedo will usually burn for a few minutes to gain velocity toward the target, then coast for a longer period en route to the target, and then begin accelerating again as it nears the target to try to intercept. At closer range, the torpedo may accelerate during the entire flight, and if it still has fuel remaining when it reaches the target, that's good -- because the fuel is actually the torpedo's warhead.

At this point in the engagement the Umiak ships had significant velocity and were now close to the "center point" that the Loroi were defending, and the Loroi ships were more or less stationary relative to that point. Black Razor launched four blisters at comparatively short range from the Loroi right wing toward the ships at the center of the Umiak line. As the torpedoes approached their targets, the Umiak ships were now passing the Loroi center point, and the blisters were approaching at a right angle to the Umiak velocity vector. The blister released their submunitions, and the targeted Umiak vessels turned away from them, so you see the Tolots chasing the tails of the Umiak vessels as they intercepted them. At this point the Umiak line is now past the Loroi center point, and so the Loroi vessels are looking at the tails of the Umiak.

5) About how long did it take the fight to the Naam since launch torpedoes, and to stop the persecution? What an umiak attack rate?

The time between torpedo launch and interception was probably in the neighborhood of 10-15 minutes. I'm not sure what you mean by "attack rate." If you mean velocity, I don't have exact figures.

6) Loroi physiologically and anatomically roughly adequate to humans or there differences? Well, except for acute ear, absolutely any hair color and hemocyanin instead of hemoglobin?))

Loroi and humans are very similar in capabilities. Loroi are slightly healthier on average, and have better acceleration tolerance, but the difference is minor; you'll find a greater variation between individual humans than between the Loroi and human averages. Loroi also mature faster, require less food and oxygen, and have a lower body temperature.

7) Umiak is carried out major repairs and refurbishments of their ships, such as the replacement of engines, reactors, cancellers or fuel depots? In loroi and umiak unitary mounts and weapons subsystems, or for each unit is their mounting point? In what form is carried out maintenance and scheduled maintenance at loroi (technical corridors and unitary mounting or planning with the need to get here to the problem through communication nodes and internal)? Is it possible lifting of the engine pylon from loroi ships and replacing it with the whole filling if necessary? Does either side modification obsolete ships up to modern standards by replacing the weapons and the filling or obsolete ships immediately go to the reserve / scrapped?

The Loroi do carry out planned class-wide refurbishments and upgrades of older ships, as you can note with the designations of the Vortex Mk.2, Halberd Mk.17, etc. Anything is possible in such a refit, but upgrades must be cost-effective to make sense (otherwise just building a new ship is more economical), so replacing entire engine nacelles is unlikely. Also, aside from the new Historian weapon technologies, Loroi ship tech hasn't changed all that much during the 25 years of the war, so there wouldn't be much need to change things like engines. Most of the Loroi ship design changes that weren't related to Historian-derived weapon upgrades have been due to changes in tactical doctrine rather than technology.

The Umiak do not carry out planned class-wide refits of older ships. This is partly because the Umiak have no true "classes" and nearly every ship is unique in some way (and so class-wide upgrades are problematic), and partly because Umiak vessels don't usually survive long enough to become obsolete, and the Umiak would rather spend resources building new ships rather than upgrading old ones. Umiak ships do receive maintenance, but they are on a tight supply ration and it's mostly up to the crews and their ability to scrounge for parts if something out of the ordinary breaks. If an enterprising crew can get hold of new weapons and finagle drydock time to install them, then an Umiak ship may be refitted, but it will be due to local effort and not something directed from Hierarchy HQ. If something critical breaks on an Umiak ship during a mission that the crew can't fix in the field, the ship will usually be cannibalized for parts that are distributed to the rest of the fleet.

[Tamri]

Frigates are a different size class, larger than corvettes, but smaller than destroyers.

I mean: frigates is an independent class of the ship, or is it just the big gunboats without jump engines?

Torpedoes can change course and maneuver at any point during flight, but it's important to remember that in space, pointing the missile in a new direction doesn't mean it's now traveling in that direction; velocity must be built up and canceled out. Also, although I classify torpedoes as "LR", "MR" and "SR", this refers to the amount of fuel they carry and therefore how long they can accelerate, but it really doesn't refer to the torpedo's range. In space, range in essentially unlimited, and even a short-range torpedo can hit a target at very long range; it just takes longer to get there as it can only burn its engine for so long.

I don't think I understand the rest of what you're saying here.

I mean the following situation: strike group by get up a high speed, at a distance of 40-45 minutes of torpedo active flight to the target dumps ammunition, and continues to fly on their heels. Running in parallel bridging guided torpedoes on the enemy, for example, the reports of scouts with long-range scanners that monitor the position of the enemy. As a result, the time of arrival volley and attacking stratified two-tier, high-speed torpedoes due to have a chance to quickly pass the zone of fire and to break the distance attack, and following them at a distance of 0.5-1 light second group finishes attack survivors. How realistic is it like to do in your opinion in the local situation?

The time between torpedo launch and interception was probably in the neighborhood of 10-15 minutes. I'm not sure what you mean by "attack rate." If you mean velocity, I don't have exact figures.

I mean - how many times the battle lasted, since the start of launching first torpedoes and the termination chase to retreating enemy for loroi. "Attack rate" means relative speed for umiak ships for moment to attack.

[Arioch]

Frigates are a different size class, larger than corvettes, but smaller than destroyers.

I mean: frigates is an independent class of the ship, or is it just the big gunboats without jump engines?

Light Destroyers/Frigates are not gunboats. They have their own jump drives and operate as independent units, rather than being towed into battle.

I mean the following situation: strike group by get up a high speed, at a distance of 40-45 minutes of torpedo active flight to the target dumps ammunition, and continues to fly on their heels. Running in parallel bridging guided torpedoes on the enemy, for example, the reports of scouts with long-range scanners that monitor the position of the enemy. As a result, the time of arrival volley and attacking stratified two-tier, high-speed torpedoes due to have a chance to quickly pass the zone of fire and to break the distance attack, and following them at a distance of 0.5-1 light second group finishes attack survivors. How realistic is it like to do in your opinion in the local situation?

All torpedoes are guided; it doesn't matter whether the firing vessel stays close. However, since the torpedoes are used mainly to cover the approach of the heavier vessels, the launching vessels do follow closely behind the torpedoes and gunboats. The launch is timed so that the heavy vessels are coming into effective weapon range at the same time that the torpdoes and gunboats are intercepting the enemy, to attempt to oversaturate enemy defenses and cause maximum confusion. This is what the Umiak did in the Naam battle.

The time between torpedo launch and interception was probably in the neighborhood of 10-15 minutes. I'm not sure what you mean by "attack rate." If you mean velocity, I don't have exact figures.

I mean - how many times the battle lasted, since the start of launching first torpedoes and the termination chase to retreating enemy for loroi. "Attack rate" means relative speed for umiak ships for moment to attack.

The entire engagement lasted roughly 30 minutes. I still don't know what you're asking for in terms of "attack rate," as I said I'm not going to provide exact figures for distance or velocity.

[Tamri]

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All torpedoes are guided; it doesn't matter whether the firing vessel stays close. However, since the torpedoes are used mainly to cover the approach of the heavier vessels, the launching vessels do follow closely behind the torpedoes and gunboats. The launch is timed so that the heavy vessels are coming into effective weapon range at the same time that the torpdoes and gunboats are intercepting the enemy, to attempt to oversaturate enemy defenses and cause maximum confusion. This is what the Umiak did in the Naam battle.

I meant not autoguider, but the ability to direct the torpedo "manually" from the ship, because hardly torpedo sensors enable it to lock-on and hold the target at a distance of one or half light minute.

[Arioch]

All torpedoes are guided; it doesn't matter whether the firing vessel stays close. However, since the torpedoes are used mainly to cover the approach of the heavier vessels, the launching vessels do follow closely behind the torpedoes and gunboats. The launch is timed so that the heavy vessels are coming into effective weapon range at the same time that the torpdoes and gunboats are intercepting the enemy, to attempt to oversaturate enemy defenses and cause maximum confusion. This is what the Umiak did in the Naam battle.

I meant not autoguider, but the ability to direct the torpedo "manually" from the ship, because hardly torpedo sensors enable it to lock-on and hold the target at a distance of one or half light minute.

The Umiak line was less than a light-second behind the torpedoes; they could control them manually if they wanted.

[icekatze]

hi hi

As far as sensors and vessels with that much energy output go, one light minute is very close range. I can't imagine that the sensors on the umiak ships, which are further away and behind the lag curve, would provide more reliable guidance.

I suppose there could be some utility in designating targets, should one of the targets be destroyed before all of the torpedos are, but I would think that the closest other target would be a easy enough backup target, assuming the torpedo has enough acceleration to cross the distance before its initial velocity carries it past.

[Jack]

As light destroyers with a small reserve of fuel operate in conjunction with a main ship?

Creating a new project of the ship - a difficult task. Umiak have so many resources that they spend to create an individual project for each ship?