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Re: Miscellaneous Terran question-and-answer thread

Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 8:51 am
by Mr.Tucker
Are there still Crusher-type vessels being built or operated, or were they banned following the TCA charter?
Another thing I've just realised looking at a map of TCA space is that about half of it is WAY outside the trade lanes to Aldeea and Esperanza (the half accessible through Alpha Centauri). What gives?

Re: Miscellaneous Terran question-and-answer thread

Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 5:17 pm
by Arioch
Mr.Tucker wrote:Are there still Crusher-type vessels being built or operated, or were they banned following the TCA charter?
Large, fast civilian vessels still exist, and it's still illegal to arm them, but now there is a military fleet to enforce this rule that outclasses them, instead of just smaller police frigates that couldn't do much more than yell "Stop! Or I'll shout 'stop' again!"
Mr.Tucker wrote:Another thing I've just realised looking at a map of TCA space is that about half of it is WAY outside the trade lanes to Aldeea and Esperanza (the half accessible through Alpha Centauri). What gives?
I don't think I understand the question. The map represents a region that humanity has explored, and can sometimes be found operating in. Only six worlds in four of these systems have planetary colonies, but numerous others have small outposts, both temporary and permanent. Some will be TCA listening posts to monitor the frontier, some will be scientific expeditions to study different types of stars and planets, and a few will be commercial operations (probably most involved in resource gathering).

Re: Miscellaneous Terran question-and-answer thread

Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2018 6:49 pm
by GeoModder
I noticed in the ECS ship list that there was a jump from ECS 212 to ECS 214. Does it mean the TCA doesn't build ships with a '13' in their tag? Neither ECS 13 or ECS 113 seem to be in use as well.

Also, looking at their ECS tags, the heavy tug (Cavadini class) seem to be a recent addition to the Fleet and Scout Corps. Was/is there an older class of (less capable/smaller) tug vessels both services could/can use?

Re: Miscellaneous Terran question-and-answer thread

Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2018 10:47 pm
by Arioch
GeoModder wrote:I noticed in the ECS ship list that there was a jump from ECS 212 to ECS 214. Does it mean the TCA doesn't build ships with a '13' in their tag? Neither ECS 13 or ECS 113 seem to be in use as well.
Nah, ECS-213 Njeri is a Vance-class torpedo frigate, under construction. The other gaps are not with any intention in mind.
GeoModder wrote:Also, looking at their ECS tags, the heavy tug (Cavadini class) seem to be a recent addition to the Fleet and Scout Corps. Was/is there an older class of (less capable/smaller) tug vessels both services could/can use?
Probably, although they may just have used converted vessels of other classes. I think tugs in this setting function more like tank recovery vehicles than our harbor tugs, which are probably not necessary (as all ships have maneuvering thrusters of some sort).

Re: Miscellaneous Terran question-and-answer thread

Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2018 7:24 am
by Sweforce
Arioch wrote:Probably, although they may just have used converted vessels of other classes. I think tugs in this setting function more like tank recovery vehicles than our harbor tugs, which are probably not necessary (as all ships have maneuvering thrusters of some sort).
I guess a variant of this could be to drag cargo that is to large to fit inside a cargo bay. It may not be a good idea for FTL but within a system it should work. Let's say you want to change the orbit of a small space station more then it is advisable to use the thrusters for. An example of this could be that let's say a new station has been built orbiting Mars but the old one it replaces work just fine and would be an excellent fif it orbited Jupiter instead.

Re: Miscellaneous Terran question-and-answer thread

Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2018 3:58 pm
by GeoModder
Ah, totally forgot to update my ECS list with the one you posted at IceKatze's fanart thread, Arioch.

Looks like the ECS is going on a one-off building spree. Fire Support Destroyers with a Mjolnir particle beam cannon. Torpedo Frigates...
Can't imagine these kind of vessels to have much else in the way of weaponry, so they seem to be meant mobile fire-and-forget weapon platforms.

Re: Miscellaneous Terran question-and-answer thread

Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2018 4:50 pm
by Arioch
GeoModder wrote:Looks like the ECS is going on a one-off building spree. Fire Support Destroyers with a Mjolnir particle beam cannon. Torpedo Frigates...
Can't imagine these kind of vessels to have much else in the way of weaponry, so they seem to be meant mobile fire-and-forget weapon platforms.
Somewhat analogous to the WWII PT boats: minimal-cost torpedo platforms.

Re: Miscellaneous Terran question-and-answer thread

Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2018 6:55 pm
by Zorg56
Why not just... like... Turn surface on evry usable planet between loroi, umiak and humanity into a radioactive hell with nuclear weapons (cobalt bombs or somthing like that), so they wont look in this direction?

Re: Miscellaneous Terran question-and-answer thread

Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2018 8:13 pm
by Siber
"Wow, someone out this way was able to build and deploy a lot of nuclear weapons! That amount of industry could be useful."

Re: Miscellaneous Terran question-and-answer thread

Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2018 9:50 pm
by Zorg56
If there is no usable planets then it is 2 month to travel there, far from communications. ( And there is not gonna be any communication in the future, planets broken)
Completly uselles just because it is too far.

Re: Miscellaneous Terran question-and-answer thread

Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2018 10:45 pm
by Siber
I think it's a safe bet that the radius out to which humanity can irradiate every useful thing into uselessness in a timely fashion is a much smaller distance than what is feasible for Loroi or Umiak scouts or couriers to cross if they get the idea that there in that direction is doing something very noticable and weird. This depends a little on just how tightly their industry is tied to having a habitable planet, which is not a detail I'm super clear on, but it's unreasonable to me to think that there is absolutely no room for habitat-based industry.

Re: Miscellaneous Terran question-and-answer thread

Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2018 5:59 am
by Arioch
I have the feeling that encountering deliberately irradiated worlds would raise just the kind of interest that you don't want if you're trying to avoid attention.

Re: Miscellaneous Terran question-and-answer thread

Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2018 10:21 am
by boldilocks
Just build a series of fake civilizations on every useful planet, then make it look like they killed themselves through self-irradiation that renders the planets useless.


Of course, if you've got the resources to build up whole fake civilizations on that kind of scale, I'm not sure why you'd be that worried about umiak and loroi incursions.

Re: Miscellaneous Terran question-and-answer thread

Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2018 10:25 am
by boldilocks
Arioch wrote:I have the feeling that encountering deliberately irradiated worlds would raise just the kind of interest that you don't want if you're trying to avoid attention.
Just send out loads of diplomats that you've recruited from psych-wards and insane asylums, induced to be suicidal, and loaded up with suicide pills, bombs and stowaway single shot pistols.

After the first dozen or so lunatics shoot themselves in the head in loroi and umiak foreign offices I'm guessing they'd write off the human sector of the galaxy as unnecessarily volatile, maybe publish up some interesting treatises on the matter and then put yellow tape around their nearest jump points.

Re: Miscellaneous Terran question-and-answer thread

Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2018 5:23 pm
by Arioch
"We're insane and run around destroying worlds; please come annihilate us!" ?

Re: Miscellaneous Terran question-and-answer thread

Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2018 5:59 pm
by Werra
"Third time's the charm, eh?" Loroi High Command

Re: Miscellaneous Terran question-and-answer thread

Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2018 10:54 pm
by GeoModder
Werra wrote:"Third time's the charm, eh?" Loroi High Command
"Charmed, I'm sure." Terran diplomat

Re: Miscellaneous Terran question-and-answer thread

Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2018 6:02 am
by CF2
Arioch wrote:"We're insane and run around destroying worlds; please come annihilate us!" ?
Now where have I seen that before...

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Re: Miscellaneous Terran question-and-answer thread

Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2018 3:14 pm
by Sweforce
Arioch wrote:I have the feeling that encountering deliberately irradiated worlds would raise just the kind of interest that you don't want if you're trying to avoid attention.
Another way could be to pretend to be weaker then you are so conquering you will get a lower priority while you arm up. Still, the British empire spanned the world in an era with no electricity and the travel time to some parts of it took months. In the worst case this tactic may even backfire and an invader may simply got for exterminate and replace rather then conquer and hire. Speaking of the British, there is a reason why there are so many Indians (from India, not native Americans) all over the world. As a conquered people they where easy to work with and have a natural resistance to the heat of tropical regions. And the Sikh make excellent soldiers!

Re: Miscellaneous Terran question-and-answer thread

Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2018 8:12 pm
by Zorg56
For some reason i only now start to think about it, but...
It looks like in outsider universe there is no real central goverment for humanity.
What if some of human nations will choose Loroi, and other will choose Umiak?
Civil war without end?