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Re: Miscellaneous Terran question-and-answer thread

Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 4:58 am
by Arioch
Murica wrote:In the background of the bottom panel of page 2 I saw someone in what looked like armor was this a colonial marine?
Nope.

Re: Miscellaneous Terran question-and-answer thread

Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 7:30 pm
by Murica
Has humanity yet have a spaceship vs spaceship war?

Re: Miscellaneous Terran question-and-answer thread

Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 7:51 pm
by cacambo43
Arioch,

In page 6, center panel, Captain Hamilton muses that the unknown vessel is too far out to be a picket vessel. I am wondering, Earth having no previous alien contact (besides the Orgus), and no battle experience (except their own drills and simulations), how would he know that to be true? Is he just guessing based on Earth-centric simulations?

CJSF

Re: Miscellaneous Terran question-and-answer thread

Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 10:49 pm
by Arioch
Murica wrote:Has humanity yet have a spaceship vs spaceship war?
No, but there have been "police" style engagements in which weapons were fired.
cacambo43 wrote:In page 6, center panel, Captain Hamilton muses that the unknown vessel is too far out to be a picket vessel. I am wondering, Earth having no previous alien contact (besides the Orgus), and no battle experience (except their own drills and simulations), how would he know that to be true? Is he just guessing based on Earth-centric simulations?
Hamilton was relying on his own judgment. Bellarmine was at that time a very great distance from the engagement.

Re: Miscellaneous Terran question-and-answer thread

Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 11:21 pm
by CptWinters
Arioch wrote:No, but there have been "police" style engagements in which weapons were fired.
Like Korea was a "Police action?" :P

Re: Miscellaneous Terran question-and-answer thread

Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 12:15 am
by Murica
So in other words humanity is inexperienced outgunned and outnumber do we have anything going for us?

Re: Miscellaneous Terran question-and-answer thread

Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 12:57 am
by Jakelope13
Murica wrote:So in other words humanity is inexperienced outgunned and outnumber do we have anything going for us?
Uhhhh... Loroi far-sensing abilities can't detect us? Not sure if the Umiak have a similar capability.

Re: Miscellaneous Terran question-and-answer thread

Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 1:11 am
by Murica
Jakelope13 wrote:
Murica wrote:So in other words humanity is inexperienced outgunned and outnumber do we have anything going for us?
Uhhhh... Loroi far-sensing abilities can't detect us? Not sure if the Umiak have a similar capability.
Oh yeah should have remembered that

Re: Miscellaneous Terran question-and-answer thread

Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 1:17 am
by Murica
Murica wrote:
Jakelope13 wrote:
Murica wrote:So in other words humanity is inexperienced outgunned and outnumber do we have anything going for us?
Uhhhh... Loroi far-sensing abilities can't detect us? Not sure if the Umiak have a similar capability.
Oh yeah should have remembered that
Then again that might spawn a 'kill it with fire' response than a lets be friends response

Re: Miscellaneous Terran question-and-answer thread

Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 4:37 am
by fredgiblet
Murica wrote:So in other words humanity is inexperienced outgunned and outnumber do we have anything going for us?
We have a strategically valuable position, we have maps that can give the Loroi backdoor access to the Umiak, the reverse isn't quite as true.. We also have a significant, if outdated, industrial base.

Re: Miscellaneous Terran question-and-answer thread

Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 4:54 am
by Jakelope13
fredgiblet wrote:
Murica wrote:So in other words humanity is inexperienced outgunned and outnumber do we have anything going for us?
We have a strategically valuable position, we have maps that can give the Loroi backdoor access to the Umiak, the reverse isn't quite as true.. We also have a significant, if outdated, industrial base.
After rereading some documentation, TCA ships are armed with weapons that are capable of penetrating defensive screens with zero cost towards weapon effectiveness.

Thank goodness the Colonial Fleet hasn't mothballed the mass driver cannons

Re: Miscellaneous Terran question-and-answer thread

Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 5:07 am
by Absalom
Jakelope13 wrote:
fredgiblet wrote:
Murica wrote:So in other words humanity is inexperienced outgunned and outnumber do we have anything going for us?
We have a strategically valuable position, we have maps that can give the Loroi backdoor access to the Umiak, the reverse isn't quite as true.. We also have a significant, if outdated, industrial base.
After rereading some documentation, TCA ships are armed with weapons that are capable of penetrating defensive screens with zero cost towards weapon effectiveness.

Thank goodness the Colonial Fleet hasn't mothballed the mass driver cannons
Mass drivers have approximately zero cost to damage when they encounter a shield, but also have approximately zero contribution towards combat-mode damage-per-second for the ship that carries them. They're very potent demolition devices, but about as useful for Outsider combat as a wrecking ball is for tank combat.

Re: Miscellaneous Terran question-and-answer thread

Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 5:52 am
by Jakelope13
Absalom wrote:
Jakelope13 wrote:(...)
Thank goodness the Colonial Fleet hasn't mothballed the mass driver cannons
Mass drivers have approximately zero cost to damage when they encounter a shield, but also have approximately zero contribution towards combat-mode damage-per-second for the ship that carries them. They're very potent demolition devices, but about as useful for Outsider combat as a wrecking ball is for tank combat.
Very true, but seeing as how the war has become sort-of stagnant (Umiak send out a fleet, Loroi raiders perform hit-and-run maneuvers to whittle down the invading force, then Loroi defense fleets finish off the Umiak forces) I'd imagine that the Terran weapons doctrine would come as a 'breath of fresh air' and, hopefully, turn the tide of the war in the Loroi's favor.

Heck, if the Terran mass driver rounds are coated in enough stealth materials, the Terran ships could effectively act as sniping vessels, firing rounds that hit the Umiak warships for devastating effect without the Umiak picking up on their weapons.

On that note, how easy is it for someone to detect a Terran mass driver round? I mean, with Terran-based sensor suites, can they spot someone firing off a mass driver round, or would it be undetectable until it sets off the proximity sensors? And would Loroi-based systems be able to pick up the round faster?

Re: Miscellaneous Terran question-and-answer thread

Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 7:32 am
by Beliskner
Jakelope13 wrote:
Absalom wrote:
Jakelope13 wrote:(...)
Thank goodness the Colonial Fleet hasn't mothballed the mass driver cannons
Mass drivers have approximately zero cost to damage when they encounter a shield, but also have approximately zero contribution towards combat-mode damage-per-second for the ship that carries them. They're very potent demolition devices, but about as useful for Outsider combat as a wrecking ball is for tank combat.
Very true, but seeing as how the war has become sort-of stagnant (Umiak send out a fleet, Loroi raiders perform hit-and-run maneuvers to whittle down the invading force, then Loroi defense fleets finish off the Umiak forces) I'd imagine that the Terran weapons doctrine would come as a 'breath of fresh air' and, hopefully, turn the tide of the war in the Loroi's favor.

Heck, if the Terran mass driver rounds are coated in enough stealth materials, the Terran ships could effectively act as sniping vessels, firing rounds that hit the Umiak warships for devastating effect without the Umiak picking up on their weapons.

On that note, how easy is it for someone to detect a Terran mass driver round? I mean, with Terran-based sensor suites, can they spot someone firing off a mass driver round, or would it be undetectable until it sets off the proximity sensors? And would Loroi-based systems be able to pick up the round faster?
The main problem of mass driver technology is velocity of the projectile fired. While we can make simulations, trajectory predictions how to fire round at moving target it is still only a ferritic sabot "flying" freely in space. Perhaps we could "fire" Hi-yield torpedoes(with additional trust and payload) in mass drivers but I don't know how could we hold it in one piece(high possible it would be shattered by inner forces on launch)

If it would be pure ferritic sabot flying with high speed I doubt you could detect it and if you pick it up finally it will be too late to make emergency maneuvers.

I'm more interested in energy emissions. Powering a plasma weapon surly creates larger energy signature than mass drivers.

I like mass effect concept of ship's length mass driver. I wonder how fast we could fire f.e 5kg slug with such barrel.

Re: Miscellaneous Terran question-and-answer thread

Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 10:45 am
by GeoModder
And so battlecruisers enter the equation. :)

From the look of the silhouette of ECS-201 Victory (British clammoring here, or merely an appeal to patriotism?), the engines have either be enlarged, or a couple more added.
At least, since the 3 TCA heavy destroyers still under construction don't seem to have such an engine upgrade, I gather its an increase in hardware, not capability increase by use of more efficient fuel or engine components?

With more heavy cruisers getting the 'Mjolnir conversions', is there another capability that will be decreased in the class to replace shuttle capacity?

Re: Miscellaneous Terran question-and-answer thread

Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 11:45 am
by Murica
Well another important question is what humanity industrial capacity ? In other words if we put our backs in it how many ships can we pop out a year?

Re: Miscellaneous Terran question-and-answer thread

Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 12:03 pm
by GeoModder
Murica wrote:Well another important question is what humanity industrial capacity ? In other words if we put our backs in it how many ships can we pop out a year?
That would depend on the size and complicity of the ships being build, wouldn't it? ;)

That said, since the formation of the TCA in 2107, appearantly a full 198 ships from at least ten different types/classes have finished construction (according to the ECS numbering, and info gleaned from the Terran Ship Classes page).

Re: Miscellaneous Terran question-and-answer thread

Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 12:09 pm
by Murica
GeoModder wrote:
Murica wrote:Well another important question is what humanity industrial capacity ? In other words if we put our backs in it how many ships can we pop out a year?
That would depend on the size and complicity of the ships being build, wouldn't it? ;)

That said, since the formation of the TCA in 2107, appearantly a full 198 ships from at least ten different types/classes have been constructed (according to the ECS numbering, and info gleaned from the Terran Ship Classes page).
Well what what I meant was of our current ships also with that it might also count failed experimental ships I really don't know navy doctrine is but I do know that's what the US Air Force does

Re: Miscellaneous Terran question-and-answer thread

Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 12:13 pm
by GeoModder
Murica wrote:Well what what I meant was of our current ships also with that it might also count failed experimental ships I really don't know navy doctrine is but I do know that's what the US Air Force does
Are you talking about Outsider, or the real world?
This post really doesn't make sense to me.

Re: Miscellaneous Terran question-and-answer thread

Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 12:15 pm
by Murica
GeoModder wrote:
Murica wrote:Well what what I meant was of our current ships also with that it might also count failed experimental ships I really don't know navy doctrine is but I do know that's what the US Air Force does
Are you talking about Outsider, or the real world?
This post really doesn't make sense to me.
Sorry real world