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While Earth doesn't have much of a fleet, and they are technologically inferior. I wonder if they have the means of forming a commerce raiding group that could attack a long supply chain?


I reckon even the commerce -and transport ships of both the Umiak and Loroi have a significant acceleration advantage over any Human ship.
And a single escort vessel should be sufficient to deter a Human raiding group

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If they're military convoy/resupply ships, they might even be armed with what Loroi/Umiak military consider to be basic armaments, which would still outgun a Human military ship.
On top of that, their drive technology should be sufficiently far advanced enough that us attacking their supply lines would require a considerable logistical planning and effort, nearly matching their effort to get to us. Better drives means longer range per flight, so for the distance it takes them to get here, we need a lot more effort to get around their front line to be able to attack supply lines...

Nope, not feasible, IMHO.

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Tactically, what options do the Terrans have in facing either of the currant combatants in a small skirmish in neutral space?

Strategically, Terrans have an advantage of being a long ways away from both major combatant's spheres of influence, and thus to mount any kind of offensive in the direction of Earth would require a large supply train or a long series of expeditions to set up supply bases as their territory expands in Earth's direction to reduce the length of the supply chain.

While Earth doesn't have much of a fleet, and they are technologically inferior. I wonder if they have the means of forming a commerce raiding group that could attack a long supply chain?

Tactical options depend heavily on the context of who they're fighting, where, and why... all of which is hypothetical at this point, as I think it's probably unlikely that a human force would attempt to engage the enemy unaided outside their own territory. In general, since human ships are likely at this point to be outclassed in numbers, speed, firepower, range and endurance by most any hypothetical opponent, I can't say there are a lot of good options. Human forces need to find some kind of way to get the enemy at very close range, and that's difficult to do out in no man's land.

Commerce raiding is difficult in Outsider because of the way jump drive makes it relatively easy to isolate the enemy's forces from your own. All you have to do is control the star systems along the front lines to prevent the enemy from having any access to your supply lines, which is why breakthroughs or flanking/bypass movements are so important. Although a hypothetical attack on human territory presents some long supply lines to maintain, humanity is at an extra disadvantage, because (as the others mention above) even its fastest warships are slower than most Loroi or Umiak supply vessels, and human ships have shorter endurance, making flanking movements or extended chases more difficult.

Given the severe near-term disadvantages that humanity has in fleet strengths and technology, I think you have to expect that the only circumstance under which human vessels will be fighting in this war would be in some kind of cooperative manner in concert with allied forces. In the hypothetical case where one side got an invasion force into human territory before the other side could get any of their own forces there to help defend, it's difficult to see a case where solo human forces wouldn't simply get walked over. One can't say for certain without knowing all the details of the situation, but I think it's most likely in such a case that the human forces would be better off to simply surrender.

I think the best use for current human ships in a mixed battle would be as part of a force defending a location, where their reduced speed and shorter weapons range will be less of a disadvantage. If the allied ships have to stay near to this location anyway, the human ships can stay near enough to provide defensive fire with their shorter-ranged weapons.

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On the plus side, humanity's distance and technological disadvantage should make it a very unattractive target.

Provided the Loroi aren't lying about whether they genocide neutrals, the original issue that drove the TCA to try to make contact may not even be real. There is no reason they must join one side or the other, and they don't have the tech level to affect the outcome even if they did get involved. All the problems discussed with uplifting the TCA's tech base apply just as much to anyone trying to conquer and enslave humanity for the extra industrial capacity.


The war would be over one way or the other long before humanity becomes advanced enough for either side to take notice (even the scout ships might not make them care enough to bother launching an attack on humanity.)

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Krulle wrote:
If they're military convoy/resupply ships, they might even be armed with what Loroi/Umiak military consider to be basic armaments, which would still outgun a Human military ship.
On top of that, their drive technology should be sufficiently far advanced enough that us attacking their supply lines would require a considerable logistical planning and effort, nearly matching their effort to get to us. Better drives means longer range per flight, so for the distance it takes them to get here, we need a lot more effort to get around their front line to be able to attack supply lines...

Nope, not feasible, IMHO.


I suspect that better jumpdrives can consider some jump zones viable that a human vessel would not try allowing more advanced ships to take other routes with fewer jumps to get to the same destination.


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Best utility human ships would have is:
1) Point defence, owing to their large number of laser weapon mounts. You can use a heavy laser to shoot down a missile just as easily as a light laser. Must make sure you can keep up, however, with whatever it is you be defending. So, restricted to battlestations, which have lower innate acceleration, and can kill offending ships proper.
2) Clean up: letting their more advanced allies move onwards, while not wasting time bombarding planets and taking out space-borne structures. The size and lower acceleration of battlestations means that they would be vulnerable to mass driver fire from much further away than ships. And since slugs are unaffected by shields, they can do their full damage. Same for the Mjolnir.


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The Terrans should have the advantage of mapping the region and knowing the jump routes. It will take time for others to learn all that. Knowing all the jump routes around various systems can at least be useful knowledge for ambushes and flanking maneuvers.


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Ithekro wrote:
The Terrans should have the advantage of mapping the region and knowing the jump routes. It will take time for others to learn all that. Knowing all the jump routes around various systems can at least be useful knowledge for ambushes and flanking maneuvers.


If there is an unknown fourth loroi world in Hiarchy space then the Hiarchy forces may have access to their own careers. If that is true humans, in slightly obsolete Union vessels doing mapping missions could really be useful.


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