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I wonder how the Loroi will feel when they learn just how sexually active humans really are. I mean we humans haven't done sex simply for procreation in a very long time, and is only done so in very specific religious sects. We do it out of lust, love, boredom, stress, and experimentation. Given how few Loroi men there are, I'd imagine they don't have to opportunities to do the same. Alex will need to clarify that at some point later, given how Beryl seems to think that our 50/50 gender split means humans only have one partner in their lifetimes.


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Beryl's reactio to Alex seems to indicate that Loroi males are very sexually active. Females...possible only as needed...but with such a large female to male ratio, the males will have to keep up.


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The numbers aren't that stark. It's 1:10, cutting out civilians brings this to 1:5.
Even if every Torrai had sex daily, ordinary warriors should still be getting regular encounters. Probably even if males want it only once a week.


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People seem to mistake one thing, the Loroi societal order with their warrior castes and access scheme is there to technically inflate the value of males and as thus the ability to have children.
It is extremely easy for a male to impregnate a female and since the Loroi don't have an estrus/menstruation cycle this means that there is no natural control to prevent all of the Loroi females to be impregnated at will.
For all intents and purposes the Loroi are able to experience a doubling of their population within a single year, with their population being 90% female and all females being able to remain reproductively viable for most of their extremely long lives this automatically leads to a population explosion which inevitably leads to a societal collapse due to a lack of food (hence the recession cycles of Deinar and the need of population controls due to the hostile natures of Perrein and Taben).
The Loroi were 'forced' into a population control scheme due to their very nature; if they all had children at will then their society would inevitably blow up and collapse. They could perhaps form a 'social contract' where the females all agreed to only have 1 child every X amount of years but that is unenforceable in low tech settings. What they needed was an authoritarian control scheme where only part of the population would be allowed to reproduce.
This control scheme ended up being the various warrior castes that agreed to segregate the males from the females and control access to them with lock and key.

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Beryl's reactio to Alex seems to indicate that Loroi males are very sexually active. Females...possible only as needed...but with such a large female to male ratio, the males will have to keep up.

My undestanding is males are very active due to reproductive needs. I believe Arioch specified Loroi only have sex for reproduction.

Now the question is would Loroi women consider sexual relations with humans for pleasure (assuming they ally with humanity). There is no doubt that many human males would consider it/agree, but might be a cultural shock to the reverse.


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The numbers aren't that stark. It's 1:10, cutting out civilians brings this to 1:5.
Even if every Torrai had sex daily, ordinary warriors should still be getting regular encounters. Probably even if males want it only once a week.


Even better. One out of five civilians is male. ;)

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Have the Loroi encountered worlds as bio-diverse as Earth?

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Have the Loroi encountered worlds as bio-diverse as Earth?

Yes and no. Each of the non-Soia-Liron races represents a separate, well-developed native planetary ecosystem (except for the Fenrias offshoots, who together represent a single native ecosystem). Except for a few cases, most of these planets have a wide variety of biomes for diverse species to occupy.

However, they are only a few hundred thousand years the other side of a major extinction event that struck almost all of the inhabited worlds of the Local Bubble. The surviving species have radiated to fill most of the vacant niches, but that's a blink of the eye on geologic time scales, and most worlds are not as biodiverse as they might otherwise have been.

Perrein is pretty biodiverse considering the limited variety of biomes (essentially megaforest, forest floor shadowlands/wetlands, highlands, and polar regions). Billions of years ago, Perrein would have been more Earthlike, with larger oceans and active plate tectonics. However, as the star aged and increased in brightness and the planet's molten core depleted its radioactives and gradually froze (without a large moon's tides to add to internal heating). The temperature rose, place tectonics ceased, and the rise of the scale forests silted up much of the ocean and turned most of the land into an unchanging shadowland. The planet's magnetic field is now induced by the solar wind (as on Venus), and it is biological processes rather than geologic ones that keep the atmosphere replenished. So, without regular environmental change to drive adaptation, organisms instead iterated on hypercompetitiveness within unchanging biomes.

There is some conflicting evidence as to whether Perrein was bombarded during the Soia catastrophe (there is no sign of civilized habitation prior to the appearance of Loroi survivors there, and suspected craters have been filled in by the silting effect of the scale forests), but if it was, the impact seems to have been negligible. The geography and lack of large oceans localizes the effect of impacts, and temporary blockage of the sun is barely noticeable to organisms evolved to live in darkness.

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Arioch wrote:
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Have the Loroi encountered worlds as bio-diverse as Earth?

Yes and no. Each of the non-Soia-Liron races represents a separate, well-developed native planetary ecosystem (except for the Fenrias offshoots, who together represent a single native ecosystem). Except for a few cases, most of these planets have a wide variety of biomes for diverse species to occupy.

However, they are only a few hundred thousand years the other side of a major extinction event that struck almost all of the inhabited worlds of the Local Bubble. The surviving species have radiated to fill most of the vacant niches, but that's a blink of the eye on geologic time scales, and most worlds are not as biodiverse as they might otherwise have been.

Perrein is pretty biodiverse considering the limited variety of biomes (essentially megaforest, forest floor shadowlands/wetlands, highlands, and polar regions). Billions of years ago, Perrein would have been more Earthlike, with larger oceans and active plate tectonics. However, as the star aged and increased in brightness and the planet's molten core depleted its radioactives and gradually froze (without a large moon's tides to add to internal heating). The temperature rose, place tectonics ceased, and the rise of the scale forests silted up much of the ocean and turned most of the land into an unchanging shadowland. The planet's magnetic field is now induced by the solar wind (as on Venus), and it is biological processes rather than geologic ones that keep the atmosphere replenished. So, without regular environmental change to drive adaptation, organisms instead iterated on hypercompetitiveness within unchanging biomes.

There is some conflicting evidence as to whether Perrein was bombarded during the Soia catastrophe (there is no sign of civilized habitation prior to the appearance of Loroi survivors there, and suspected craters have been filled in by the silting effect of the scale forests), but if it was, the impact seems to have been negligible. The geography and lack of large oceans localizes the effect of impacts, and temporary blockage of the sun is barely noticeable to organisms evolved to live in darkness.


Is.... Perrein a dying world? How do it's plants replenish the atmosphere? It's not like they make oxygen out of silica... It means that lighter gasses are being trapped EXTREMELY efficiently by the plants. It must mean their carbon and hydrogen cycles are fully biological.
Is it bigger than Earth, with a higher gravity?


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Is.... Perrein a dying world? How do it's plants replenish the atmosphere? It's not like they make oxygen out of silica... It means that lighter gasses are being trapped EXTREMELY efficiently by the plants. It must mean their carbon and hydrogen cycles are fully biological.
Is it bigger than Earth, with a higher gravity?

You can have an Earth-like carbon cycle, but with biochemical activity replacing vulcanism as a mechanism of CO2 replenishment. The concept is that the scale forest ecosystem produces a steady carbonaceous detritus, which accumulates into layers of porous sedimentary rock (which has been building up for billions of years), and there are lots of subterranean chemical and biochemical reactions that give off CO2 and return it to the atmosphere.

Perrein is slightly smaller than Earth, with a size and mass similar to Venus.

Venus is somehow able to maintain a very dense atmosphere without its own magnetic field or any active vulcanism we can detect (the volcanoes on the surface seem to be hundreds of millions of years old, from a period before the core froze). So it's possible. I'm guessing that the extreme heat has something to do with it.

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Venus is somehow able to maintain a very dense atmosphere without its own magnetic field or any active vulcanism we can detect (the volcanoes on the surface seem to be hundreds of millions of years old, from a period before the core froze). So it's possible. I'm guessing that the extreme heat has something to do with it.

Yes, Venus is able to maintain an atmosphere, but it's mostly CO2. The problem is that a magnetic field will protect the atmosphere from losing its lighter gasses. The solar wind will gradually "erode" water vapour and "burn up" the oxygen. Therefore, Perrein would end up as a dead world quite similar to Mars, albeit at a much slower pace.

Also, back to the previous question. Did the Loroi encounter any planet that is both as biodiverse as Earth and untouched by the extinction events.

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Arioch wrote:
Venus is somehow able to maintain a very dense atmosphere without its own magnetic field or any active vulcanism we can detect (the volcanoes on the surface seem to be hundreds of millions of years old, from a period before the core froze). So it's possible. I'm guessing that the extreme heat has something to do with it.

Yes, Venus is able to maintain an atmosphere, but it's mostly CO2. The problem is that a magnetic field will protect the atmosphere from losing its lighter gasses. The solar wind will gradually "erode" water vapour and "burn up" the oxygen. Therefore, Perrein would end up as a dead world quite similar to Mars, albeit at a much slower pace.

Well, oxygen is very reactive and so it needs to be constantly replenished anyway, but with a planetwide forest of monster trees, that's not a problem as long as there is a steady CO2 supply. Water vapor is more of a problem, but we can suppose that the composition of Perrein's ionosphere gives the planet an induced magnetosphere that is more effective at shielding the planet than the one around Venus.

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Also, back to the previous question. Did the Loroi encounter any planet that is both as biodiverse as Earth and untouched by the extinction events.

Yes. Earth is not unique in that sense.

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Well, oxygen is very reactive and so it needs to be constantly replenished anyway, but with a planetwide forest of monster trees, that's not a problem as long as there is a steady CO2 supply. Water vapor is more of a problem, but we can suppose that the composition of Perrein's ionosphere gives the planet an induced magnetosphere that is more effective at shielding the planet than the one around Venus.

That's exactly the problem. Without the shielding from the magnetic field the solar wind will blow off the ionosphere, then wreak havoc on the lower levels as well as on all life. The ionosphere cannot induce its own magnetic field to hold itself in place. Basically, in order to maintain "air" a planet needs to be at the right distance from the sun, have enough gravity and a strong enough magnetic field. If even one factor is off, then we'll end up with inert gases or nothing at all.

In science fiction, however, you can circumvent certain limitations by introducing plausible (-sounding) solutions. Let's see:
1. Perreins aged star produces little solar wind and radiation. Therefore, the erosion is very slow and the ecosystem may last for a couple of years (or millions). Normally this would freeze the planet, but let's assume that the planet adapted (or was adapted?) by means of a powerful greenhouse effect.
2. There is an unnatural magnetic field shielding the planet.
3. Something is replentishing the lost gasses from within the planet.


P.S.: Sorry to be a bit nitpicky :geek:

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That's exactly the problem. Without the shielding from the magnetic field the solar wind will blow off the ionosphere, then wreak havoc on the lower levels as well as on all life. The ionosphere cannot induce its own magnetic field to hold itself in place.

Except that Venus' ionosphere does exactly that. Venus has roughly similar size, mass, and distance from its primary to Perrein, and also has no magnetic field... yet it retains an atmosphere 90 times more dense than Earth's.

Titan also has no (known) magnetic field, and yet manages to retain an atmosphere more dense than Earth's.

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Arioch wrote:
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That's exactly the problem. Without the shielding from the magnetic field the solar wind will blow off the ionosphere, then wreak havoc on the lower levels as well as on all life. The ionosphere cannot induce its own magnetic field to hold itself in place.

Except that Venus' ionosphere does exactly that. Venus has roughly similar size, mass, and distance from its primary to Perrein, and also has no magnetic field... yet it retains an atmosphere 90 times more dense than Earth's.

Titan also has no (known) magnetic field, and yet manages to retain an atmosphere more dense than Earth's.

That's what I'm talking about.

Venus has an atmosphere due to its sufficiently powerful gravitational force (unlike Mars), but because it has no magnetic field, this atmosphere consists mostly of CO2. Venus' ionosphere is, unlike Earths, not able to withstand the solar wind and all light gases are blown away. An induced magnetosphere is not powerful enough to contain it. By this point, only trace amounts of hydrogen and oxygen remain, but those can still be found in Venus' trail, which confirms the still ongoing erosion.

Titan is far enough from the Sun and it's protected by another, considerably powerful magnetic field, that of Saturn.


Anyway, in order not to get too much off-topic, here's a question on Loroi philosophy.
As how I understand it, the current Loroi social and political structure is rooted in the old warrior caste and clan structures. In ancient times it was necessary in order to maintain population control. It was the only way to maintain order and advance as a society. Or was it? Were or are there any other schools of thought on how Loroi civilization should be organized? How are such ideas received?

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Cthulhu wrote:
Arioch wrote:
Cthulhu wrote:
That's exactly the problem. Without the shielding from the magnetic field the solar wind will blow off the ionosphere, then wreak havoc on the lower levels as well as on all life. The ionosphere cannot induce its own magnetic field to hold itself in place.

Except that Venus' ionosphere does exactly that. Venus has roughly similar size, mass, and distance from its primary to Perrein, and also has no magnetic field... yet it retains an atmosphere 90 times more dense than Earth's.

Titan also has no (known) magnetic field, and yet manages to retain an atmosphere more dense than Earth's.

That's what I'm talking about.

Venus has an atmosphere due to its sufficiently powerful gravitational force (unlike Mars), but because it has no magnetic field, this atmosphere consists mostly of CO2. Venus' ionosphere is, unlike Earths, not able to withstand the solar wind and all light gases are blown away. An induced magnetosphere is not powerful enough to contain it. By this point, only trace amounts of hydrogen and oxygen remain, but those can still be found in Venus' trail, which confirms the still ongoing erosion.

Since there is a massive worldwide forest that is continually producing oxygen, I don't see this as an absolute show-stopper. But my suggestion was that Perrein's ionosphere might have a composition such that it does a better job of forming an induced magnetosphere, and thus slowing the loss of water vapor and other volatiles. Contrary to your assertion, Venus is able to keep its ionosphere from being blown off without a magnetic field.

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As how I understand it, the current Loroi social and political structure is rooted in the old warrior caste and clan structures. In ancient times it was necessary in order to maintain population control. It was the only way to maintain order and advance as a society. Or was it? Were or are there any other schools of thought on how Loroi civilization should be organized? How are such ideas received?

The Loroi have a shared martial pre-history, as reflected in their mythology, and so most Loroi social systems tend to have a martial flavor to them. Those that were less militaristic tended to get taken over by those that were more so. There were examples where physical isolation led to the survival of such systems. One would be the southern Amenal islands on Taben, who were less martial than their northern neighbors in Beleri. Like the vikings, Belerid Loroi would raid and sometimes conquer Amenal settlements, but often became subsumed within the "conquered" culture. Another would be Perrein, where terrain made distant city-states somewhat remote from one another, and allowed for greater diversity of cultures. Notably, some of the Perrein systems were based on religion, though the last of these was wiped out in Perrein's atomic wars. But the one feature that all (non-barbarian) systems needed to have in common was some kind of population control, and in ancient times the most effective way to accomplish this was with some kind of restricted alpha breeding system.

In the present, not all Loroi subcultures are as military-oriented as the Sister Worlds. Maia being a prime example of a society more developed around free markets, rather than the state-controlled mercantilism that militarists tend to prefer.

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Since there is a massive worldwide forest that is continually producing oxygen, I don't see this as an absolute show-stopper. But my suggestion was that Perrein's ionosphere might have a composition such that it does a better job of forming an induced magnetosphere, and thus slowing the loss of water vapor and other volatiles. Contrary to your assertion, Venus is able to keep its ionosphere from being blown off without a magnetic field.

What I'm saying is that with sufficient gravity, the athmosphere itself may be retained, but the solar wind will blow any lighter gases out of it. For a planet in the habitable zone the solar radiation will be poweful enough to overwhelm any regenerative capabilities of an unshielded world. Granted, it may take millions of years, but without some kind of replentishment, the athmosphere will lose all of its water and oxygen. Even Earth is constantly losing some of its athmosphere, but that amount is kept small by the magnetic field and gravity. Additionally, volcanic activity replentishes lost gases in form of (among other things) CO2 and water, while the ecosystem converts that CO2 into O2 and biomass. A planet without a molten core would have no magnetic field but also (almost) no volcanic activity. Thus it will lose gases at an increased speed while not being able to replentish them. An ancient world like Perrein may have more "reserves" bound somewhere, but it's still fighting a very drawn-out, losing battle.

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The Loroi have a shared martial pre-history, as reflected in their mythology, and so most Loroi social systems tend to have a martial flavor to them. Those that were less militaristic tended to get taken over by those that were more so. There were examples where physical isolation led to the survival of such systems. One would be the southern Amenal islands on Taben, who were less martial than their northern neighbors in Beleri. Like the vikings, Belerid Loroi would raid and sometimes conquer Amenal settlements, but often became subsumed within the "conquered" culture. Another would be Perrein, where terrain made distant city-states somewhat remote from one another, and allowed for greater diversity of cultures. Notably, some of the Perrein systems were based on religion, though the last of these was wiped out in Perrein's atomic wars. But the one feature that all (non-barbarian) systems needed to have in common was some kind of population control, and in ancient times the most effective way to accomplish this was with some kind of restricted alpha breeding system.

In the present, not all Loroi subcultures are as military-oriented as the Sister Worlds. Maia being a prime example of a society more developed around free markets, rather than the state-controlled mercantilism that militarists tend to prefer.

But the male restrictions are still enforced through said militaristic system, even more so in wartime. The civilians must be a little upset, I guess. This is somewhat mitigated by their long lifespan, but its still very important. Whoever controls the means of (re)production controls society, right? Does this degrade the differences to mere flavours of the same core system or are they more diverse (at least in peace-time)? Also are there any ancient legends on how the pre-fall Loroi society worked?

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A planet without a molten core would have no magnetic field but also (almost) no volcanic activity. Thus it will lose gases at an increased speed while not being able to replentish them. An ancient world like Perrein may have more "reserves" bound somewhere, but it's still fighting a very drawn-out, losing battle.

It's always a losing battle... the amount of water in any planet is finite, whether the reserves are brought to the surface by vulcanism or some other process. It's just a question of reserves vs. rate of loss. All planets are dying planets... all main sequence stars get brighter as they age, moving the habitable zone farther and farther out and making its planets less and less habitable... before it eventually runs out of fuel and destroys the system outright. We simply have to propose a set of starting values for the system that don't run out within the meaningful life of the planet's ecosystem. And since this is fiction, we have a significant amount of discretion there.

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But the male restrictions are still enforced through said militaristic system, even more so in wartime. The civilians must be a little upset, I guess. This is somewhat mitigated by their long lifespan, but its still very important. Whoever controls the means of (re)production controls society, right? Does this degrade the differences to mere flavours of the same core system or are they more diverse (at least in peace-time)?

Actually the population restrictions are eased in wartime (since losses need to be replaced), and they are less restrictive on growing planets like Maia than on better established systems like Deinar, but the restrictions would need to be enforced regardless of whether the government was military or civilian. With high technology, contraceptives might be used as part of the solution, but there still aren't enough males to go around, and Loroi females have the compulsion to get pregnant, not just to have sex, so there is still going to have to be some kind of control system over who gets to have access to males and when.

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Also are there any ancient legends on how the pre-fall Loroi society worked?

The heroic myths are a slightly unreliable source, partially because they were filtered through primitive post-fall cultures that interpreted some of the references to technology as supernatural, and because there's no way to know what parts of the mythology didn't survive to the present day simply because they stopped being retold. For example, there is no mention of civilians at all in pre-fall myth; scholars aren't sure whether this is because the work was being done by someone (or something) else, or whether stories involving civilians just stopped being retold by ancient scholars who wanted to emphasize the warrior mythos. Similarly, the pre-fall stories are always about heroes and generals, but never about monarchs or rulers. There are vague references to orders coming from a ruler, but not much information about who that ruler was.

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Guess it could make sense... red dwarfs (dwarves?) are crazy flary during the first billions of years of existence but calm down in their mid and later years (so after about 10-12 billion years on average). A planet that has survived past the baby phase of the star (via a magnetic field), will find itself in extremely mild, long-lived conditions, which might not require a field any longer. The mostly infrared light doesn't pack a mighty punch unless there's a flare, and the winds die down quite a bit.
Given the evolution of life on earth, it's not unreasonable to assume trees and plants would gobble up most of what was on the surface. They've done this before (the Azolla event, the Carboniferous, etc). That would mean that for non-tree life, i'd be pretty slim pickings, basically waiting for a super-tree to die, before a temporary food cycle starts. Like one would find on the ocean seafloor: https://nautiluslive.org/video/2019/10/ ... n-seamount

Venus DOES lose atmosphere. It's just that most of what was lost was lost long ago, and what remains is very heavy and chemically stable stuff (CO2, which is reasonably dense, and where the carbon has a deathgrip on the oxygen; similarly N2), so the usual mechanism of sputtering works poorly. There's too much of this remnant massive atmosphere for the solar wind to make an appreciable dent. Well, that is, until the red giant phase commences...

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Notably, some of the Perrein systems were based on religion, though the last of these was wiped out in Perrein's atomic wars.

I take it they too have paved themselves a couple of times in the past...

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There are vague references to orders coming from a ruler, but not much information about who that ruler was.

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Guess it could make sense... red dwarfs (dwarves?) are crazy flary during the first billions of years of existence but calm down in their mid and later years (so after about 10-12 billion years on average). A planet that has survived past the baby phase of the star (via a magnetic field), will find itself in extremely mild, long-lived conditions, which might not require a field any longer. The mostly infrared light doesn't pack a mighty punch unless there's a flare, and the winds die down quite a bit.
Given the evolution of life on earth, it's not unreasonable to assume trees and plants would gobble up most of what was on the surface. They've done this before (the Azolla event, the Carboniferous, etc). That would mean that for non-tree life, i'd be pretty slim pickings, basically waiting for a super-tree to die, before a temporary food cycle starts. Like one would find on the ocean seafloor: https://nautiluslive.org/video/2019/10/ ... n-seamount

Venus DOES lose atmosphere. It's just that most of what was lost was lost long ago, and what remains is very heavy and chemically stable stuff (CO2, which is reasonably dense, and where the carbon has a deathgrip on the oxygen; similarly N2), so the usual mechanism of sputtering works poorly. There's too much of this remnant massive atmosphere for the solar wind to make an appreciable dent. Well, that is, until the red giant phase commences...

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Notably, some of the Perrein systems were based on religion, though the last of these was wiped out in Perrein's atomic wars.

I take it they too have paved themselves a couple of times in the past...

Arioch wrote:
There are vague references to orders coming from a ruler, but not much information about who that ruler was.

Oblivion theme intensifies....


Red dwarfs have ridiculously long lifespans but the zone around them capable of supporting life are so close to the star that those flares are going to regularly sterilize away anything trying to evolve there. K-class stars however are at a sweet spot. Thease stars are inbetween G-class stars as our own and the red dwarfs and also have extremely long lifespans thou shorter then those of the red dwarfs. They are a lot calmer flare wise thou.


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Arioch, are scale trees on Perrein similar to the ones on prehistoric earth?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lepidodendron


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Arioch, are scale trees on Perrein similar to the ones on prehistoric earth?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lepidodendron

Sort of... Carboniferous Earth is kind of a conceptual model for Perrein's ecology... vast forested wetlands, high oxygen atmosphere, flora and fauna both run amuck... except highly evolved instead of relatively primitive. So the trees do have this singature "scale" pattern, to increase structural strength and reduce weight, except they're an order of magnitude larger... and fairly sophisticated in terms of their life processes.

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Is the lift on loroi ships a simple platform in order for the lift shaft to be easily traversible in the case of power outage and loss of life support, or is it purely aesthetic? (Ie, you don't have to worry about a big box being in the way, just whoosh down a zero-grav tube?)


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Post Re: Miscellaneous Loroi question-and-answer thread
boldilocks wrote:
Is the lift on loroi ships a simple platform in order for the lift shaft to be easily traversible in the case of power outage and loss of life support, or is it purely aesthetic? (Ie, you don't have to worry about a big box being in the way, just whoosh down a zero-grav tube?)

I don't think it would be a simple matter to exercise that fine a degree of control over which parts of the ship are affected by artificial gravity and which ones aren't, but regardless I'm not sure how you "whoosh" up or down a zero-gravity shaft... unless you are equipped with some sort of personal reaction control jets. Especially if you are transporting some sort of cargo.

Looking back on the elevator shaft design, I think what's missing are ladder rungs so that it can be more easily traversed with the power out. I think most of the interior designs could use a lot more guard rails and hand-holds.

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Arioch wrote:
boldilocks wrote:
Is the lift on loroi ships a simple platform in order for the lift shaft to be easily traversible in the case of power outage and loss of life support, or is it purely aesthetic? (Ie, you don't have to worry about a big box being in the way, just whoosh down a zero-grav tube?)

I don't think it would be a simple matter to exercise that fine a degree of control over which parts of the ship are affected by artificial gravity and which ones aren't, but regardless I'm not sure how you "whoosh" up or down a zero-gravity shaft... unless you are equipped with some sort of personal reaction control jets. Especially if you are transporting some sort of cargo.

Looking back on the elevator shaft design, I think what's missing are ladder rungs so that it can be more easily traversed with the power out. I think most of the interior designs could use a lot more guard rails and hand-holds.


I meant whoosh as in "Oh, gravity's out, I guess I'll just push off from this end to get 10-15 floors towards the other end. Of course, that'll probably lead to an unfortunate amount of injuries.


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