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Sweforce wrote:

Arioch wrote:Large guilds will have communal creches, but small companies or self-employed individuals may take a more personal role in child rearing.

We then get to the question of how a self employed loroi get the right to breed.

My impression is that Loroi societies on average prefer to avoid self-employed people if possible- the organisation of labor into 'guilds' by default is suggestive.

SVlad wrote:

Arioch wrote:Most civilian females were born to warrior mothers, but quit or failed the trials, and so most of her fellow guild members will be of no relation to her.

Doesn't it have negative impact on whole civilian business?
It sounds like most civilians feels themselves as losers, who was born to be a proud warriors, but failed exams and doomed to a shameful civil work. What does motivate them to work, if whatever they do, they will remain second-class people?

Well, first of all, Loroi society is not designed to produce the optimal worker. It is designed to produce the optimal warrior.

But this is like asking: what was the motivation of common-born people in England to work, when they can never become aristocrats, and so they will always be second-class citizens? The answer is the same as everywhere else: to earn a living, to earn a better quality of life, and possibly to earn substantial wealth and significant social status. Just because you can never be King doesn't necessarily mean you can't improve your life.

Sweforce wrote:

Arioch wrote:Large guilds will have communal creches, but small companies or self-employed individuals may take a more personal role in child rearing.

We then get to the question of how a self employed loroi get the right to breed.

The same way as any other civilian Loroi: be spectacularly successful at what you do. It also helps to live in a less conservative community.

Arioch wrote: But this is like asking: what was the motivation of common-born people in England to work, when they can never become aristocrats, and so they will always be second-class citizens? The answer is the same as everywhere else: to earn a living, to earn a better quality of life, and possibly to earn substantial wealth and significant social status. Just because you can never be King doesn't necessarily mean you can't improve your life.

The difference here is that common-born people wasn't born aristocrats, and never intended to be. They was risen and educated as "common". But Loroi was risen and educated as "aristocrats" and then thrown away.
In Russia after perestroika there was lots of people, who had to do job they never wanted to do. Many of them became alcoholic or suicide or just die of illnesses caused by ignorance of own health.
Also the worker who don't want to do his job would be awfully inefficient. It's not a problem if you have a healthy labour market, but if all available candidates are the same, that problem can quickly escalate to economical disaster.

SVlad wrote:The difference here is that common-born people wasn't born aristocrats, and never intended to be. They was risen and educated as "common". But Loroi was risen and educated as "aristocrats" and then thrown away.

This is a fair point. But it's not as if they were treated like aristocrats and then sent into the mines to work; life for warrior children is pretty hard, much harder than life for civilian children. A warrior child doesn't get any special privileges until she passed the trials. And they weren't "thrown away"; they quit. And this happened when they were about six years old.

So in short, they never had the 'good life' of a warrior, or aristocrat as SVlad put it, so don't know better.

They are children even by Loroi standards, they don't know better other than toeing the line that is expected of them, hell I imagine a perfectly able child in a rebellious phase intentionally flunking out out of a whim.

If given the decision after having some real life experience I imagine that there would be plenty of warriors who would have gladly exchanged their warrior privileges for a safe and free civilian life* and plenty of civilians who would have laughed at the relative ease of the trials they tapped out of when they were teenagers.

*Depending on outsider factors of course.

there would be plenty of warriors who would have gladly exchanged their warrior privileges for a safe and free civilian life

Somehow I'm under the impression that warriors can give up warrior status if they choose.

True but as I said, depending on outside factors. A Soroin in peacetime permanently stuck at a low rank could elect to go civilian if she could relocate herself on a place like Maia. In wartime a warrior doing that would be seen as cowardice and would be a social pariah even in civilian cycles.

dragoongfa wrote:True but as I said, depending on outside factors. A Soroin in peacetime permanently stuck at a low rank could elect to go civilian if she could relocate herself on a place like Maia. In wartime a warrior doing that would be seen as cowardice and would be a social pariah even in civilian cycles.

Or sent to military prison, penal battalion, or even get executed of their cowardiance, depending on the local military laws, circumstances, and the attitude of their superiors.

dragoongfa wrote:True but as I said, depending on outside factors. A Soroin in peacetime permanently stuck at a low rank could elect to go civilian if she could relocate herself on a place like Maia. In wartime a warrior doing that would be seen as cowardice and would be a social pariah even in civilian cycles.

I suspect that the loroi would have lot's of "warriors", people that are part of warrior casts bur see little if any combat. Actually one of the way the Romans could offset lot's of the costs of keeping their legions where to use them as workers on various public projects like building roads and such. What will you do with someone that past all the tests as a warrior but have what is required to be a brilliant engineer?

Sweforce wrote:I suspect that the loroi would have lot's of "warriors", people that are part of warrior casts bur see little if any combat.

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What will you do with someone that past all the tests as a warrior but have what is required to be a brilliant engineer?

Yes, they do. And you sort them into the so called "support castes" - Listel, Gallen, Doranzer (science officers, engineers and technicians, doctors and medics respectively).

entity2636 wrote:

Sweforce wrote:I suspect that the loroi would have lot's of "warriors", people that are part of warrior casts bur see little if any combat.

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What will you do with someone that past all the tests as a warrior but have what is required to be a brilliant engineer?

Yes, they do. And you sort them into the so called "support castes" - Listel, Gallen, Doranzer (science officers, engineers and technicians, doctors and medics respectively).

More importantly, what if they're the most talented hair stylist that the sister-worlds ever birthed?

boldilocks wrote:More importantly, what if they're the most talented hair stylist that the sister-worlds ever birthed?

A civilians promotion to warrior right there!

Sweforce wrote:

boldilocks wrote:More importantly, what if they're the most talented hair stylist that the sister-worlds ever birthed?

A civilians promotion to warrior right there!

Straight into the Emperor-Valet caste!
(How would that translate into Trade?)

Would Loroi do better or worse than humans in a lovecraftian setting?

Werra wrote:Would Loroi do better or worse than humans in a lovecraftian setting?

Dunno. I guess it depends on whether the eldritch creatures are telepathic and how that would work.

Ancient gods at the bottom of the eart seas is the reason why humans is so resistent to telepathy!
All humans who can be detected by telepathy instantly knew the cosmic truth, go insane and die!

Zorg56 wrote:Ancient gods at the bottom of the eart seas is the reason why humans is so resistent to telepathy!
All humans who can be detected by telepathy instantly knew the cosmic truth, go insane and die!

At least the "go insane part", those loony bins exist for a reason. Sometimes tho they retain just enough sanity to become excellent authors or horror stories...

On this page:
http://well-of-souls.com/outsider/outsider032.html

what do the prohibition signs actually signify?
I'm guessing the left-most one says "no knives", or "no weapons"?

Also, is it normal on loroi vessels to have cells in a completely different color / unpainted and dilapidated/dirty?

boldilocks wrote:On this page:
http://well-of-souls.com/outsider/outsider032.html

what do the prohibition signs actually signify?
I'm guessing the left-most one says "no knives", or "no weapons"?

Also, is it normal on loroi vessels to have cells in a completely different color / unpainted and dilapidated/dirty?

The texture is actually based on a photo of the rear of a garbage truck. I'm not sure what it says.

If you've ever seen the inside of a real jail cell (and unfortunately I have), they tend to be rather untidy.