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Author:  dragoongfa [ Mon May 29, 2017 12:49 am ]
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A trifecta!!!

http://well-of-souls.com/outsider/outsider114.html
http://well-of-souls.com/outsider/outsider115.html
http://well-of-souls.com/outsider/outsider116.html

Author:  Dirty Yasuki [ Mon May 29, 2017 1:05 am ]
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3 updates in one go?!

Has Cancer and AIDS finally been cured? :o

Author:  Zarya [ Mon May 29, 2017 2:24 am ]
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Hi there - I'm new in the forum, but have been following Outsider for a while now.

Is it me, or does Beryl look a tiny bit annoyed c.q. jealous?

~Z~

Author:  Krulle [ Mon May 29, 2017 4:20 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Pages 114, 115, 116

Possibly, but Tennoin Arrir Nesin is not letting go of his hand either.
But then, Alexander should break the contact, as it is his custom being done, and the Tennoin does not know the custom or customary lengths of it.

Edit: I find the last image a bit... weird from perspective. For Alexander's hand and her hand to be across her chest, Alexander must've jumped sides of the shuttle (you can still see a pilot chair in the background, so she's still on the starboard side of the gangway), and is now standing also on the starboard side between Talon and Beryl...

Author:  sunphoenix [ Mon May 29, 2017 5:10 am ]
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AWESOME!!!! :)

On 114... it was clear Alex was attempting to pull back his hand, probably cause he did not want to offend or make the Lorio pilot too uncomfortable. Its a little different human-wise to shake hands with a woman. It is typically accepted that when shaking hands with a man a longer grip is acceptable... than with a woman as it 'seems' as a male you might be being too forward. Touch is also very intimate for humans and too much intimacy with a stranger or equal professional woman... might be taken as inappropriate contact.

BUT, too Note... Tallon quickly recovered and eagerly reached out to take his hand with both of hers!

On earth that would be very... in fact too forward for a male to do so with a woman he was shaking hands with.. but a woman doing so would hint at an interest beyond 'mere greetings'! :)

Author:  Chekist_Felix [ Mon May 29, 2017 5:16 am ]
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I spilt tea on myself. 3 pages... that sorcery is this?!

Author:  thicket [ Mon May 29, 2017 5:28 am ]
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Image

well....I don't think "holding hands" is part of the Loroi mating ritual because Beryl would probably be more shocked? but it has been referenced that they do not generally touch each other

Author:  icekatze [ Mon May 29, 2017 7:38 am ]
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hi hi

In a word? Awkward! :lol:

It does seem like an awful long time to hold hands after shaking, but it does seem that Alex looks rather embarrassed through most of the encounter. (I know if I had been deprived of real food for so long I'd have a major headache, not to mention what all the jumps would do.)

I can imagine word of the handshake greeting getting around and then he'd have to shake hands constantly with everyone all the time, even after only a short absence. But maybe that is the job of an interstellar diplomat.

Fireblade might simply put up with Enzin's formalities and lack of formalities, but it's nice to see that some of the other Loroi appreciate Alex's attempts. Talon actually seems pleased about being friends.

Also, I half imagine that Talon telepathically woke Beryl up from her nap with some variation on: "Hey, you gotta check this out, you won't believe it." :P

Author:  GabrielGABFonseca [ Mon May 29, 2017 7:54 am ]
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Ok people, I have a new game for you: It is called What is Beryl Feeling? - it's a very simple game, we simply have to guess what our dear Tozet Beryl is feeling as of the end of page 116!

For your reference, the page itself:
Spoiler: show
Image


So far, this are my guesses as to what she's feeling:

Spoiler: show


Or alternatively:

Spoiler: show


Starting at second 56, with the following lyric corrections:
"Too young, too dumb to realize
That I should have bought you
Flowers and held your hand
Should've give you all my hours
When I had the chance
Take you to every party computer terminal
Cause all you wanted to do was dance read astrographical maps
Now my baby is dancing reading,
But she's dancing reading astrographical maps
With another man Loroi..."


Joking aside, I do like and agree with what Icekatze said above. Would be very amusing if everyone wanted to shake hands with Alex - or should I say Enzin? - from now on.

Author:  Krulle [ Mon May 29, 2017 8:18 am ]
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Just noticed:
Talon says "Humanity" in the last panel... (not the usualy "Humaniti" I remember from the other Loroi, but that may be due to the aamount of solons between each update, which made me possibly forget that Beryl may have been successful in (telepathically) instructing the other Loroi in the pronounciation of "Humanity".)

Author:  Arent [ Mon May 29, 2017 9:15 am ]
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I just noticed that Talon apparently misunderstood him. He said, she could call him "Ensign", which she apparently understood as "Enzin"? Does she think that is his name?

Author:  NuclearIceCream [ Mon May 29, 2017 9:48 am ]
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Arent wrote:
I just noticed that Talon apparently misunderstood him. He said, she could call him "Ensign", which she apparently understood as "Enzin"? Does she think that is his name?


It was explained before that ensign was his rank, I would think Beryl would have spread that around. Enzin is probably an accent thing. You'll note that she is not as eloquent as Beryl or our favorite diplomatic officer. You'll also notice the one flying the shuttle is less eloquent.

Author:  Arioch [ Mon May 29, 2017 10:24 am ]
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NuclearIceCream wrote:
Arent wrote:
I just noticed that Talon apparently misunderstood him. He said, she could call him "Ensign", which she apparently understood as "Enzin"? Does she think that is his name?


It was explained before that ensign was his rank, I would think Beryl would have spread that around. Enzin is probably an accent thing. You'll note that she is not as eloquent as Beryl or our favorite diplomatic officer. You'll also notice the one flying the shuttle is less eloquent.

Beryl also informed them that Alex's name means "Garden Guardian", which in Trade is Ristan Enzin.

Author:  Overkill Engine [ Mon May 29, 2017 10:26 am ]
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subtext looks a lot like:

Talon: "Ha! I got to touch him first!"

Beryl: "WTF he didn't greet me like that... :evil: "

Author:  ShadowDragon8685 [ Mon May 29, 2017 10:48 am ]
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Overkill Engine wrote:
subtext looks a lot like:

Talon: "Ha! I got to touch him first!"

Beryl: "WTF he didn't greet me like that... :evil: "


He could always teach her about hugging instead. :P

That, or the ages-old human tradition of the "Surprise noogie delivered to someone you like."

Which could only explode catastrophically!

Author:  Suederwind [ Mon May 29, 2017 10:49 am ]
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What?! Three updates at once? Has christmas come early this year? :shock:
Anyway, what Alex feels on page 115 (or what he feels not) is very interesting and yes, Beryl looks rather annoyed on that page.

Author:  Quazel [ Mon May 29, 2017 11:01 am ]
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I thought perhaps I had slipped into a coma and this was Memorial Day 2018.

All ribbing aside though, great updates! Thanks!

Author:  Absalom [ Mon May 29, 2017 11:16 am ]
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I'd forgotten that Arioch zerg-rushes.

GabrielGABFonseca wrote:
Ok people, I have a new game for you: It is called What is Beryl Feeling? - it's a very simple game, we simply have to guess what our dear Tozet Beryl is feeling as of the end of page 116!
"You scum-sucking poacher". And Overkill's right, Talon is totally gloating.

ShadowDragon8685 wrote:
He could always teach her about hugging instead. :P

That, or the ages-old human tradition of the "Surprise noogie delivered to someone you like."

Which could only explode catastrophically!
And that's why it'll be widely acknowledged as Jardin's fault when he does it to Fireblade.


Edited in:
Arioch wrote:
NuclearIceCream wrote:
It was explained before that ensign was his rank, I would think Beryl would have spread that around. Enzin is probably an accent thing. You'll note that she is not as eloquent as Beryl or our favorite diplomatic officer. You'll also notice the one flying the shuttle is less eloquent.

Beryl also informed them that Alex's name means "Garden Guardian", which in Trade is Ristan Enzin.
Everyone, cancel the accidental-innuendo alert, "Enzin" means guardian, not garden.

thicket wrote:
well....I don't think "holding hands" is part of the Loroi mating ritual because Beryl would probably be more shocked? but it has been referenced that they do not generally touch each other
Beryl grew up on a different world, so she actually wouldn't know if it was part of the ritual where Talon & Spiral came from without being told by someone else.

Author:  Shadowy Wanderer [ Mon May 29, 2017 11:33 am ]
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Beryl defiantly has the suspicious/jealous girlfriend look when she walks in on them. :)
Great possibility for humorous misunderstandings in the future.

IRL comes first Arioch, but your updates are always a pleaser to read. Keep up the good work.

Author:  Excellion [ Mon May 29, 2017 11:42 am ]
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Arioch wrote:
Beryl also informed them that Alex's name means "Garden Guardian", which in Trade is Ristan Enzin.

Are the various Loroi actively aware of the distinction between "Enzin" and "Ensign" or is there some mix-up going on here? Based on Talon's reaction on page 115 it seems we got the equivalent of:

- "And this Is Mr. Jardin, The ambassador of Humanity"
- "Please, no need to be so formal, just call me Alex".

In other words, it seems she misunderstands the military rank Alex mentioned ("Ensign") for a request to call him by part of his trade-translated name ("Enzin").

Author:  Arioch [ Mon May 29, 2017 11:45 am ]
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Excellion wrote:
In other words, it seems she misunderstands the military rank Alex mentioned ("Ensign") for a request to call him by part of his trade-translated name ("Enzin").

That's correct.

Author:  Excellion [ Mon May 29, 2017 12:07 pm ]
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Arioch wrote:
Excellion wrote:
In other words, it seems she misunderstands the military rank Alex mentioned ("Ensign") for a request to call him by part of his trade-translated name ("Enzin").

That's correct.

Aah, that certainly cleared things up for me. Based on the conversation this seemed like the only possible explanation though the Loroi's frequent mispronunciations left this somewhat open for debate. Without knowing Alex's trade name this situation is a tad hard to figure out though - I can't remember reading "Ristan Enzin" anywhere in the various pages of the insider. Then again... give the amount of material.... Well, i think i explain it if i missed it somewhere. ;)

ShadowDragon8685 wrote:
He could always teach her about hugging instead. :P

That, or the ages-old human tradition of the "Surprise noogie delivered to someone you like."

Which could only explode catastrophically!

And this is why i should never be on a solo first-contact mission, seeing one can make up whatever format greeting rituals one wants. I would probably be adamant that the only proper way to enter any formal conversation would be to sing the little teapot song and do the accompanying dance before starting. To me it would make one hell of an amusing scene if the first set of extraterrestrials visited and did something along those lines. Of course it wouldn't end well for myself, but i suppose diplomatic courtesy would require the other party (The humans) to follow suit, at least for some time. It'd make quite the interesting footnote in the history books...

Author:  ShadowDragon8685 [ Mon May 29, 2017 12:08 pm ]
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Suederwind wrote:
What?! Three updates at once? Has christmas come early this year? :shock:
Anyway, what Alex feels on page 115 (or what he feels not) is very interesting and yes, Beryl looks rather annoyed on that page.



I'm expecting that Talon is intentionally guarding her thoughts.

That said, it occurs to me that pilots should probably be among the most eloquent Loroi, after Listel and Mizol. I mean, their job description requires lots of talking, since telepathy does not work at flying ace ranges.

Then again, we sort of see this; Talon and Spiral aren't afraid to open their mouths, even if they're not as well-spoken as Beryl and Tempo.

Reed... Well, if we assume that "jailer" is her primary job description, then she's also probably used to talking, because she'd have to shout at the prisoners because her mind would need to be blockaded regularly. (Fireblade, of course, is so psychically powerful that she doesn't fear getting into a mind-contest with an angry prisoner.)

Author:  icekatze [ Mon May 29, 2017 1:32 pm ]
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hi hi

That certainly is an interesting misunderstanding. I would almost wager that Enzin would need to explain the nature of TCA ranks, and that he is closer to the lower end of the hierarchy when it comes to officers. Although, I'm not sure what the Loroi would think of the concept of enlisted ranks. The Loroi have plenty of different castes, but would enlisted ranks seem like having civilians in the positions of warriors?

Author:  Random Person [ Mon May 29, 2017 2:06 pm ]
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Multiple updates at once!? This hasn't happened before in the entire decade-plus that I've been following this.

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