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Re: Pages 114, 115, 116

Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2017 7:47 pm
by Zarya
It's a detail, next to Beryl's look on her face, I really like the Star Trek TOS 'SHRAK' sound of the door in #116..

~Z~

Re: Pages 114, 115, 116

Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2017 8:44 pm
by deadlypie
GabrielGABFonseca wrote:
fredgiblet wrote:
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Personally, I don't really like the idea of Outsider having too much emphasis on romance or - goddess forbid it - romcom elements. But then again... read my signature. :P
That would be incredibly funny in my opinion.

Re: Pages 114, 115, 116

Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2017 9:20 pm
by harlequin2262
GabrielGABFonseca wrote:
fredgiblet wrote:
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Personally, I don't really like the idea of Outsider having too much emphasis on romance or - goddess forbid it - romcom elements. But then again... read my signature. :P
Space Harem adventure ahoy!

Barring that, Space Opera. Either way, Kirk Doctrine is in full effect.

Re: Pages 114, 115, 116

Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2017 4:43 am
by novius
Beryl really seems to have a look of suspicion on her face. And that Loroi very much have a similar custom to human women staking their claim, because she certainly did and that message was well received by Talon... why else would she feel the need to placate Beryl? After all, Beryl did berate Talon in sort of a roundabout way of doing something untoward. Beryl usually does voice her thoughts more carefully and would have chosen a more neutral tone (like, "that gesture looks unfamiliar to me, someone explain it?") if she had wanted to.

It could be for the sake of storytelling, but the fact that Beryl did speak out loud and not simply sent her misgivings to Talon (exchanged glances and Talon releasing his hand) could account very much to the "staking the claim" thing here.... To make it clear to both of them that other females should back off of him :)

Might be with males being a scarcity and access being regulated Loroi did sort of adopt a behavior like "get hold of one and don't let go", which might have been translated literally here... :)

Add to that, the customary greeting did get a bit off track and into a more personal space over the course of pg. 115, but it certainly does look like that Talon wouldn't mind. Had she minded, she might have answered with a mild rebuke and not offered her spoken name in return. :)

What I am sort of missing is any idea on Alex thoughts that she didn't seem to attempt to intrude on his thoughts. Either they were all briefed that it would be uncomfortable for Alex and whoever tries it, or she simply lacks the aptitude, which would be highly unusual for a species with telepathy as the preferred mode of communication. My bets are put on self-restraint on her part.

Re: Pages 114, 115, 116

Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2017 8:42 am
by boldilocks
It could also be that he's a first-contact alien and whoever does the important work of establishing trust/communications/basic knowledge and so forth with him will have earned a lot of brownie-points or prestige in whatever passes the military hierarchy, either for beryl personally or for her caste. Or perhaps she is adamant that it should be her caste that controls interaction and establishment of common units and basic knowledge with the alien, which could explain why she seemed frustrated to see Tempo, who's part of the 'diplomatic' caste, join them on the trip.

Or maybe it's just me who's read too much C.J.Cherryh and trying to establish some kind of non-kirkian reason for her demeanor? ;)

Re: Pages 114, 115, 116

Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2017 9:24 am
by novius
boldilocks wrote:It could also be that he's a first-contact alien and whoever does the important work of establishing trust/communications/basic knowledge and so forth with him will have earned a lot of brownie-points or prestige in whatever passes the military hierarchy, either for beryl personally or for her caste. Or perhaps she is adamant that it should be her caste that controls interaction and establishment of common units and basic knowledge with the alien, which could explain why she seemed frustrated to see Tempo, who's part of the 'diplomatic' caste, join them on the trip.

Or maybe it's just me who's read too much C.J.Cherryh and trying to establish some kind of non-kirkian reason for her demeanor? ;)
Sure. Beryl's interest in him could be purely professional. But that wouldn't change the fact that she might want to reserve exclusive rights on him and could see Talon's supposed forwardness as a threat to them. So yes, for whatever reasons, Beryl seems to have a rather jealous streak. Towards Tempo, Talon and whoever else who might approach him.

Re: Pages 114, 115, 116

Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2017 9:54 am
by harlequin2262
boldilocks wrote:It could also be that he's a first-contact alien and whoever does the important work of establishing trust/communications/basic knowledge and so forth with him will have earned a lot of brownie-points or prestige in whatever passes the military hierarchy, either for beryl personally or for her caste. Or perhaps she is adamant that it should be her caste that controls interaction and establishment of common units and basic knowledge with the alien, which could explain why she seemed frustrated to see Tempo, who's part of the 'diplomatic' caste, join them on the trip.

Or maybe it's just me who's read too much C.J.Cherryh and trying to establish some kind of non-kirkian reason for her demeanor? ;)
She has the Xenophile quality. Although her sensitivity about her age might play into your explanation as well.

Re: Pages 114, 115, 116

Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2017 10:49 am
by novius
Another thing - Beryl was fast asleep a moment ago, right? She dozed off as Tempo took over, but didn't take long to be up and about again. I'd peg it on warrior training, to be up and alert if something around oneself changes - like Alex getting up and moving away - but the first thing she did is to follow him and then seeing him in a rather compromising situation. Depends on how much Beryl heard in pg. 116, things could get awkward. (Take away Talon's first sentence and just read the second one and you may see what I mean :) )

Re: Pages 114, 115, 116

Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2017 12:57 pm
by orion1836
boldilocks wrote:Or maybe it's just me who's read too much C.J.Cherryh and trying to establish some kind of non-kirkian reason for her demeanor? ;)
Glad I'm not the only one who read her books!

Re: Pages 114, 115, 116

Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2017 4:50 pm
by GabrielGABFonseca
I don't know about you people, but I don't think Beryl's "jealousness" comes from any romantic intention of hers... at least not yet.

I can see it happening in the near-to-mid term future, although I think it is less likely than a strictly professional and platonic attachment to Alex and vice-versa.

It's hard to guess, really. On one side, I personally think a romantic subplot would feel a tad strange in Outsider, but then again, it is a Space Opera, after all. And even in the "New Space Opera" sub-genre (Mass Effect, for instance) on which I believe Outsider falls into, it still is a predominant theme.

So really, who knows?

Well, Arioch does, but he ain't telling! :lol:

Re: Pages 114, 115, 116

Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2017 5:17 pm
by icekatze
hi hi

If I recall, the Loroi tend view men as being in a different class all together, even when they're not strange aliens. I wouldn't be surprised if it was more along the lines of two people vying for the attention of an adorable puppy.

Re: Pages 114, 115, 116

Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2017 6:53 pm
by Shadowy Wanderer
One thing to remember is that Jordin is still a BIG unknown to the Lori. Beryl and Tempo may not believe is an artifact of the enemy this does not mean they can fully trust him. He has not telepathic presence which would normally mean he is a powerful telepath. The fact that he has kept it up under circumstances that would be imposable for a Lori to do does not mean he they fully believe he can’t use telepathy. So for that and other pragmatic reason they have to keep an eye on him.

So, as has been point out before, Beryl literally fell asleep on the job in front of an ambassador which would obviously be embarrassing and frustrating by itself. She then finds that in the short time he was not in the presence of his security detail or under observation by the diplomatic or science officer he comes in physical contact with a Lori. Given the advantages physical contact can give a telepath this represents a potentially significant security breach even if it was just a piolet that should have known better.

So there are some good purely professional reasons for to her be acting annoyed right now. Admittedly none of them are as amusing as Beryl simply being jelly. :)

It just might be a little early to say Jorden will be Caption Kirking his way throw this.

Re: Pages 114, 115, 116

Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2017 4:46 am
by Absalom
Eh, let's be honest with ourselves: Jardin might have to play an anti-Kirk (not the goatee kind, either).

Re: Pages 114, 115, 116

Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2017 5:43 am
by Dirty Yasuki
I still find it hilarious that certain words that Talon spoke were bolded and italicized for emphasis :p

"...Pilots have a Natural feeling for each other..."

"Your hand is really warm."

Beryl needed several trigger warnings walking into the sight of that "handshake" and hearing those words in those sentences.
:mrgreen:

Re: Pages 114, 115, 116

Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2017 6:01 pm
by novius
Dirty Yasuki wrote:I still find it hilarious that certain words that Talon spoke were bolded and italicized for emphasis :p

"...Pilots have a Natural feeling for each other..."

"Your hand is really warm."

Beryl needed several trigger warnings walking into the sight of that "handshake" and hearing those words in those sentences.
:mrgreen:
Just as I hinted to it elsewhere, take this sentences out of context (as it might have happened to Beryl the moment she entered) and it could really become quite dicey....

Re: Pages 114, 115, 116

Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2017 8:09 pm
by Krulle
novius wrote:
Dirty Yasuki wrote:I still find it hilarious that certain words that Talon spoke were bolded and italicized for emphasis :p

"...Pilots have a Natural feeling for each other..."

"Your hand is really warm."

Beryl needed several trigger warnings walking into the sight of that "handshake" and hearing those words in those sentences.
:mrgreen:
Just as I hinted to it elsewhere, take this sentences out of context (as it might have happened to Beryl the moment she entered) and it could really become quite dicey....
i changed the highlighted elements a bit more.
Any pauses can be blamed on being unused to talk trade instead of using telepathy....

Re: Pages 114, 115, 116

Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2017 5:31 pm
by bunnyboy
novius wrote:Another thing - Beryl was fast asleep a moment ago, right? She dozed off as Tempo took over, but didn't take long to be up and about again. I'd peg it on warrior training, to be up and alert if something around oneself changes - like Alex getting up and moving away - but the first thing she did is to follow him and then seeing him in a rather compromising situation. Depends on how much Beryl heard in pg. 116, things could get awkward. (Take away Talon's first sentence and just read the second one and you may see what I mean :) )
I was wondering myself if she was poked up and ordered to follow.

Re: Pages 114, 115, 116

Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2017 6:43 pm
by boldilocks
"Oh, for goodness sake, Talon, don't go grabbing its hand, how do you know it won't jump on your face and have intercourse with your mouth and put an egg in your stomach or something? Don't you watch any movies? I don't want to have some slimy thing pop out through your chest in the middle of the mess hall! See, THIS is why alien relations should be relegated entirely to the Listel caste, only our superior training and experience blah blah blah [this is where Talon starts tuning her out]"


There guys, I've put in the telepathy bits so you don't have to wonder about this any more.

Re: Pages 114, 115, 116

Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 11:49 am
by thicket
boldilocks wrote:"Oh, for goodness sake, Talon, don't go grabbing its hand, how do you know it won't jump on your face and have intercourse with your mouth and put an egg in your stomach or something? Don't you watch any movies? I don't want to have some slimy thing pop out through your chest in the middle of the mess hall! See, THIS is why alien relations should be relegated entirely to the Listel caste, only our superior training and experience blah blah blah [this is where Talon starts tuning her out]"


There guys, I've put in the telepathy bits so you don't have to wonder about this any more.
:lol:

Re: Pages 114, 115, 116

Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2017 3:37 pm
by harlequin2262
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