Mjolnir wrote:As far as I'm aware, the star itself being the cause has been ruled out. A star can only change brightness by changing size (which is far too slow) or by changing temperature (which is too slow and doesn't match spectral observations). A star that rapidly dims without major changes in its spectrum is being blocked by something in front of it.
How would my flare or black hole suggestions compare?
There is a distinct maximum brightness with only minor variations, with irregular but sharply defined dips. Small stars with strong magnetic fields can be highly variable, but it's hard to see how such activity would just intermittently dim the star, and do so by such large amounts. A black hole would cause a very smooth and uniform variation, and a large amount of material orbiting the black hole would form an accretion disk with its own obvious emissions.
It seems pretty certain that this is mundane matter of some form occluding the star, it's just the specific form of that matter that is rather baffling. Too cold for a dust disk, too irregular for planets, far too much of it for it to be comets...
Re: The Astronomy Thread
Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2017 3:22 am
by Absalom
Mjolnir wrote:
Absalom wrote:
Mjolnir wrote:As far as I'm aware, the star itself being the cause has been ruled out. A star can only change brightness by changing size (which is far too slow) or by changing temperature (which is too slow and doesn't match spectral observations). A star that rapidly dims without major changes in its spectrum is being blocked by something in front of it.
How would my flare or black hole suggestions compare?
There is a distinct maximum brightness with only minor variations, with irregular but sharply defined dips. Small stars with strong magnetic fields can be highly variable, but it's hard to see how such activity would just intermittently dim the star, and do so by such large amounts. A black hole would cause a very smooth and uniform variation, and a large amount of material orbiting the black hole would form an accretion disk with its own obvious emissions.
It seems pretty certain that this is mundane matter of some form occluding the star, it's just the specific form of that matter that is rather baffling. Too cold for a dust disk, too irregular for planets, far too much of it for it to be comets...
If "far too much" is the best argument against comets, then I'd say the continuum between that and your "orbital snowstorm" is the best contender... at least in this thread. Haven't looked into it elsewhere, after all.
This isn't new, but I found it interesting. Kip Thorne and the scientific team who worked on the black hole visualization for the movie Interstellar published a paper describing how they came up with it.
The summary of the paper is this: the visualization of the black hole "Gargantua" in Interstellar is about as accurate as modern theory allows, with one exception: the spin of the black hole would produce noticeable doppler color shift and brightness difference between the left and right sides of the disc (as one is moving at a very high velocity towards the observer, and the other away), which director Nolan thought would be confusing to the viewer. A more accurate version would look something like this:
The top curve over the black hole is the top of the accretion disk (on the far side from the viewer) warped around the event horizon; the small lower curve is the bottom of the disc from the far side warped around it.
Re: The Astronomy Thread
Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 6:04 pm
by Sarlith
Ahoy, this is an old thing but it's very cool. The Curiosity probe took a bunch of hi-res photos on its way down to the planet Mars. Some unsung genius took them and merged them into a video.
Select individual groups to more clearly view each orbit.
It's also just a nice demonstration of the orientation of our solar system relative to the galaxy: the plane of our solar system is tilted almost 90 degrees on an axis pointed almost directly at the center of the galaxy.
Re: The Astronomy Thread
Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2018 9:16 pm
by cacambo43
Arioch wrote:An excellent visualization of the various meteor showers, clearly showing how each is debris from a spent comet:
Select individual groups to more clearly view each orbit.
It's also just a nice demonstration of the orientation of our solar system relative to the galaxy: the plane of our solar system is tilted almost 90 degrees on an axis pointed almost directly at the center of the galaxy.
I thought it was 60 degrees or so, so I looked around a bit and found this among some other sites that described the same or similar.
But in any case, that's an awesome simulator, Arioch. Thanks for posting it.
CJSF
Re: The Astronomy Thread
Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2018 7:45 pm
by Zarya
Last month this South African MeerKAT radio telescope image was released. It shows our galaxy’s central region at ~26,000 lightyears. MeerKAT will be part of a larger international Square Kilometre Array (SKA) in the Karoo (“thirsty land”) region of Northern Cape province.
The bright x-ray feature in the middle outshines Sagittarius A*, which can only be imaged in the radio spectrum. The core region is a kind of gateway to hell: it packs a supermassive black hole with over 4 million times more mass than the sun, which is itself orbited by at least one other black hole with ~1300 solar masses.
Those "radio filament" structures are very curious, especially that they are nearly all oriented vertically, from galactic north to south.
Sagittarius A* is theorized to have potentially thousands of black holes within about a parsec of it, as a sort of hellish black hole Oort Cloud. At least a dozen of these have been recently identified by a Chandra X-Ray survey.
Re: The Astronomy Thread
Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2018 9:13 pm
by Arioch
This week's PBS Spacetime describes an important recent paper derived from the observation of the recent neutron star merger.
In brief summary, because the neutron star merger was observed both optically and through gravitational waves, it was possible to compare the intensity of the two measurements to see whether the universe has additional dimensions. One proposed theory of gravity suggests that if there are more than three spatial dimensions, having effects of gravity impact these extra dimensions could account for why it seems weaker than the other forces, as well as other observed effects (like the apparent acceleration of the expansion of the universe). If so, the gravitational waves should dissipate faster in (3 + x) dimensions than the light waves did in only 3. However, the observed measurement matched more or less exactly what you'd expect to find if there were only three physical dimensions.
This is an exciting finding for a variety of its implications. Perhaps the least important of which is to prove that Outsider doesn't take place in our universe. Since the Outsider version of hyperspace is affected by the gravity from objects in "normal" space, this should result in a measurable increase in the falloff rate of gravitational waves. Which is not what was measured.
Re: The Astronomy Thread
Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 12:32 pm
by Krulle
Nothing as tremendous,
but still potentially interesting:
"The Goblin" has been discovered. A dwarf planet orbiting Sol at somewhere between "far out there" and "not even our solar system anymore"... https://www.theguardian.com/science/201 ... oort-cloud, which seems to come closest to the Sun at about 65 AU....
(IF I understood the articles correctly; Germany's "Spiegel" talked about a distance of at least 65 AU to the Sun.)
(I hope the image link will remain working, with all these "deep-linking stopping technology" of news-websites...
Re: The Astronomy Thread
Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 1:46 pm
by Hālian
Zarya wrote:Last month this South African MeerKAT radio telescope image was released. It shows our galaxy’s central region at ~26,000 lightyears. MeerKAT will be part of a larger international Square Kilometre Array (SKA) in the Karoo (“thirsty land”) region of Northern Cape province.
The bright x-ray feature in the middle outshines Sagittarius A*, which can only be imaged in the radio spectrum. The core region is a kind of gateway to hell: it packs a supermassive black hole with over 4 million times more mass than the sun, which is itself orbited by at least one other black hole with ~1300 solar masses.
Fast radio bursts (FRBs) are blasts of radio waves that last for only a few milliseconds but can contain as much energy as our sun puts out in decades. Over 50 have been spotted in space since they were first discovered in 2007, however we still don’t know what causes them.
Okay, interesting, don’t know what causes them (yet), and it turns out that “close to Earth” is over the top:
[…] it most likely came from a galaxy called ESO 601-G036 located 120 million light years from Earth.