Loroi Are Theoretically Possible To Create.... Using Real Science!

[Bamax]

In all fairness, the science and understanding required to pull it off would dwarf our current understanding to the point that many if not all known diseases would have known solutions to them...
since even that is easier than creating Loroi.

How To Make A Loroi:

1. Obviously you need a template. That's us.

2. Be willing and understand and accept that failures will cost the lives of your creations/test subjects until you get it right. Also understand that the local government must allow you to do this as well or else you cannot.

The Science: Off colored skin and hair is not incredibly difficult to pull off... just code for it in the genes, adding the correct ones for specific color combos.

Eyes: They do not absolutely need to have the Loroi eye look per se for humans to be satisfied, but if you desire slanted down and wider eyes you can code for that too in the genes.

Telepathy: Using science bio-computing is actually a thing. In theory you could code a bio-computer with data preloaded into every 'Loroi' you make. It would allow them to see and use an 'air' touch screen that only they could see as an individual.

The elf ears: Instead of being merely cosmetic appendage for hearing, they could function as a kind of imput/output antenna for WIFI processing.... meaning yes... so long they are within say... ten meters, they could connect to the internet! Would likely require a more robust amount of metal and electricity running in their unique biology.

And the beauty of it is that they could not be hacked, yet they could not download anything or upload anything either.

"Telepathic' Communication: 100 meters via ear antenna and inner biocomputer 'air' touchscreen.

Yes they would look odd to a bystander typing and swiping at the air, but as individusls they can see their individual 'screens' and use them.


That's all I got.

[Keklas Rekobah]

 
"In theory there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice there is." -- Albert Einstein

[G. Janssen]

If you want a Loroi, there are 5 paths you can walk.
1.) Deliver the specs to any company that the words "real", "sexy" and "dolls" in the name and wait 3 months.

2. If you want it to be even more realistic, you can ship your Loroi to www.bostondynamics.com and wait 5 more years.

3. Should you prefer real skin, the next option is to find an attractive female and pay her enough to undergo plastic surgery and be tattood.

4. Even more realistic would be to genetically modify a Human to have the outward appearance of a Loroi.

5. The most realistic option is to create a completely new lifeform based on Humans and Arioch's description. I don't know if's possible to create biological telepathy though.

But I'd advise against option 5, because at least 2 things would happen.
1. A massive population explosion of very fast growing, highly aggressive females who have war programmed into their genes.
2. World domination of said females after a bloody campaign of conquest and the establishment of a highly militaristic, global dictatorship that strongly believes in racial superiority and seeks to dominate everything.

But at least we'd have a gorgeous, sexy Leader.

[gaerzi]

Telepathy: Using science bio-computing is actually a thing. In theory you could code a bio-computer with data preloaded into every 'Loroi' you make. It would allow them to see and use an 'air' touch screen that only they could see as an individual.

This has nothing to do with telepathy as presented in Outsider. In fact, given that Loroi telepathy is a faster-than-light communication process, it is firmly outside the realm of what's theoretically possible with real science.


That said... Touch screens are the worst user interface ever designed, ergonomically speaking, and the idea of having to use an air touch screen sounds honestly more like a wizard's magic gestures than like psionic powers, which are generally depicted as being used just by thinking about them. Which, by the way, is not that hard to do; we already have things that are thought-activated and while at the moment it requires wearing a very fashionable electrode hairnet, that wouldn't really be a problem for a "bio-computer" that's an integral part of the organism.

[Bamax]

Telepathy: Using science bio-computing is actually a thing. In theory you could code a bio-computer with data preloaded into every 'Loroi' you make. It would allow them to see and use an 'air' touch screen that only they could see as an individual.

This has nothing to do with telepathy as presented in Outsider. In fact, given that Loroi telepathy is a faster-than-light communication process, it is firmly outside the realm of what's theoretically possible with real science.


That said... Touch screens are the worst user interface ever designed, ergonomically speaking, and the idea of having to use an air touch screen sounds honestly more like a wizard's magic gestures than like psionic powers, which are generally depicted as being used just by thinking about them. Which, by the way, is not that hard to do; we already have things that are thought-activated and while at the moment it requires wearing a very fashionable electrode hairnet, that wouldn't really be a problem for a "bio-computer" that's an integral part of the organism.

I had no idea. Thanks.

I knew mind reading sofrware was a thing, but was unaware of current progress.

Had no idea hearing voices in your head was as simple as vibrating specific bones inside the body.

Wow.

In a way, if connectee to the internet, a biocomputer like this would even put a Listel to shame.

That's the power and triump of human theoreticsl technology.

[Keklas Rekobah]

Having comm-tech implanted in one's brain invites a few problem, not the least of which are (1) the dissipation of waste heat from the circuitry, and (2) RF energy being generated so close to one's favorite neural gland.

Even if these problems could be overcome, there is still the issue of one' brain being "hacked" and loaded with an entirely new personality.  Imagine a crucial battle going on and all of your elite infantry soldiers suddenly being turned into bakery chefs, and all your crack fighter pilots instantly being overwritten as telemarketers.

[Bamax]

Having comm-tech implanted in one's brain invites a few problem, not the least of which are (1) the dissipation of waste heat from the circuitry, and (2) RF energy being generated so close to one's favorite neural gland.

Even if these problems could be overcome, there is still the issue of one' brain being "hacked" and loaded with an entirely new personality.  Imagine a crucial battle going on and all of your elite infantry soldiers suddenly being turned into bakery chefs, and all your crack fighter pilots instantly being overwritten as telemarketers.

One solution is to simplify the bio-computer.

Instead of the ability to interface with actual computers.... which is wetware connecting with hardware across distance and sounds odd anyway, why not just let the bio-computer serve as a kind internal index for memory and calculations?

Meaning it can audibly tell you what you did the day before or last week or even last year if you forget. It can also do mathematics for you? As well as using the ears as a walkie talkie antenna Meaning if you speak audibly, then any other 'Loroi' nearby will hear you if you choose to turn on you your internal 'phone' mode. Not telepathy at all, but still a boon, since no longer do you necessarily need a loudspeajer to get people's attention since they will hear your voice just as well if they were you speakinf it.

In fact, I am leaning toward a less Loroi-clone and more a secondary personality all together.

Bio-computer would be living organisms that are essentially cloned and taken and fused with a 'Loroi' egg and reborn as part of the new 'Loroi'.

The original will be taught things but also have a lot of knowledge preloaded, and it's clone would retain all of that information.

So the 'Loroi' would be a person, with a backup personality that can speak to them and give advice or, if the person allows, even take over their body for a limited time (till they fall asleep).

Kind of like the Trill, just with more compututational abilities and no means of transferring biocomputers from person to person.

When a person dies so does their bio-computer.

Although I do suspect that well known and respected original bio-computers will have lines of people applying to get it's clones implanted into their eggs.


I thought of all this because the main superpower humans have is three fold, it is coordination, endurance and their capacity for knowledge expansion.

All the 'Loroi' wanbabe's do here is expand upon that.

[gaerzi]

Even if these problems could be overcome, there is still the issue of one' brain being "hacked" and loaded with an entirely new personality.  Imagine a crucial battle going on and all of your elite infantry soldiers suddenly being turned into bakery chefs, and all your crack fighter pilots instantly being overwritten as telemarketers.

This was touched upon in Schlock Mercenary, though it was the opposite that happened: a local bakery chef or telemarketer instantly being rewritten as an elite spec-ops infiltrator.

[Keklas Rekobah]

Bio-computer would be living organisms that are essentially cloned and taken and fused with a 'Loroi' egg and reborn as part of the new 'Loroi'.

It has already been established that Humans and Loroi can produce no viable offspring together.  This has as much to do with overall biochemistry as it does with DNA.

[Snoofman]

Having comm-tech implanted in one's brain invites a few problem, not the least of which are (1) the dissipation of waste heat from the circuitry, and (2) RF energy being generated so close to one's favorite neural gland.

Even if these problems could be overcome, there is still the issue of one' brain being "hacked" and loaded with an entirely new personality.  Imagine a crucial battle going on and all of your elite infantry soldiers suddenly being turned into bakery chefs, and all your crack fighter pilots instantly being overwritten as telemarketers.

What if the loroi are built with copper-rich proteins? Since their blood is blue, that would suggest their blood is some sort of exotic form of hemocyanin. I believe even Arioch has suggested that in the lore. Anyway, my point is that copper is used in building comm-tech like radios. So perhaps the loroi synth's cells can be configured in the right way to transfer information remotely, both within and without the body. As of rthe problem of waste heat, that would explain why loroi were designed to have cooler body temperatures. Other than surviving harsh elements, it would cool down the excess heat. And if you want to take it a step further, copper is suggest by science to be a promising quantum computing unit. If it turns out that telepathy and quantum mechanics are linked, then that would explain why sanzai communication is instantaneous.

[Keklas Rekobah]

What if the Loroi are built with copper-rich proteins? . . .

Replacing one conductive element with another would be like re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.  There is no clear advantage.  After all, hemoglobin (Fe) and hemocyanin (Cu) transport oxygen, not nerve impulses, and certainly not "thought waves".

I am pausing here to state that so far, Arioch's in-story science allows for easy suspension of disbelief because (1) real principles are readily explained by real science, and (2) some fictional principles (i.e., telepathy, telekinesis, hyperdrive, et cetera) can be explained as superscience far beyond the capabilities of even the Loroi to understand.  For instance, the Loroi do not understand why psi-amplifiers work so well for the bistimadi, but only that by processing certain materials in certain ways and configuring them in certain shapes, their far-seers can detect intelligent minds over interstellar distances.

With that said, the best science-fiction (in my honest opinion) involves reasonable extrapolations of known scientific principles, with only a few necessary "gimmicks" added in.  In this respect, Outsider is one of the best science-fiction stories I have encountered since Stargate: SG1 went off the air.

And with that said, while it may seem reasonable to extrapolate current genetic science into a time when bespoke humanoid life could be created in a laboratory, such beings would most likely be constructed on a human biochemical template -- meaning double-helix DNA, D-chirality, and iron-based hemoglobin.  Humanoid life with copper-based blood is in the realm of speculation, not extrapolation, because hemocyanins are found only in Earth arthropods (crabs) and mollusks (snails).  So, unless you want your pseudo-Loroi girlfriend to have pincers for hands and leave a trail of slime wherever she goes, you had best stick with the pure Human template.

[icekatze]

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This was touched upon in Schlock Mercenary, though it was the opposite that happened: a local bakery chef or telemarketer instantly being rewritten as an elite spec-ops infiltrator.

If someone were to redesign the human brain to accept extra inputs, I'm sure that super-science could come up with a way to do it while making hacking as difficult as any other computer at the same tech level. Digital inputs don't have to be any different than our current analogue inputs, as long as there's a small portion of the brain to process it, rather than giving write access to the whole darn thing. If the eyes are resistant to a basilisk hack, then a digital input should also be. (Honestly, the human brain isn't terribly secure when it comes to reading information anymore. People are getting better and better at reading brain scans to the point where they can make predictions about what people are going to say before they say it.)

Anyway, my point is that copper is used in building comm-tech like radios.

If I were going to redesign a carbon based life form to make use of radio communication, I would use carbon fibers for fast transmission of information and radio. Forget relatively rare elements, there's plenty of carbon to go around.

If it turns out that telepathy and quantum mechanics are linked, then that would explain why sanzai communication is instantaneous.

Real science still doesn't allow for the transmission of information at FTL speeds, even with quantum mechanics. Outsider provides enough internal consistency to suspend disbelief, but there's no real mechanism to make it work instantly. Speed of radio is probably the closest real analogue.

[Bamax]

Bio-computer would be living organisms that are essentially cloned and taken and fused with a 'Loroi' egg and reborn as part of the new 'Loroi'.

It has already been established that Humans and Loroi can produce no viable offspring together.  This has as much to do with overall biochemistry as it does with DNA.

I know... I am referring to real world attempts to create something that is a as close a facsimile to what is essentially fiction as reasonably possible.


Scifi both is inspired by the real world and inspires it as a well.

And no... I am not saying it is cool to do unethical stuff for science in the real world.

Still.... makes for excellent science fiction though!

[gaerzi]

So, unless you want your pseudo-Loroi girlfriend to have pincers for hands and leave a trail of slime wherever she goes, you had best stick with the pure Human template.

So that's Blipdoolpoolp's origin story!

[bunnyboy]

Hemocyanin (Cu) transport oxygen better than hemoglobin (Fe) in low temperatures, while in our comfort area hemoglobin is better. But it is possible that actual loroi use another, still unknown copper based chemical.

About brain computer, it is unnecessary. You only need radio-oscillator controlled by brain and some right length of metal piece at jaw to capture the signal and transfer it to hearing bones. It is then task to brain to develope the language for radiosignal.

And finally the blue skin color can be achieved by drinking silver.

[Bamax]

Hemocyanin (Cu) transport oxygen better than hemoglobin (Fe) in low temperatures, while in our comfort area hemoglobin is better. But it is possible that actual loroi use another, still unknown copper based chemical.

About brain computer, it is unnecessary. You only need radio-oscillator controlled by brain and some right length of metal piece at jaw to capture the signal and transfer it to hearing bones. It is then task to brain to develope the language for radiosignal.

And finally the blue skin color can be achieved by drinking silver.

Yeah... the Alter Ego project is really awesome and this video explains how it works.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TrofjEAetVs

Summarily the device picks up the signals the brain sends to the mouth for speech to the muscles (I presume electrical signals) via the nervous system abd translates the words the user is thinking for the device to 'hear'.

The device replies via bone conduction that only the user can hear

Applications?

Many? Beyond creating fictional 'telepathic' Loroi who can speak to each other without speaking there is so much more.

1. Internet search via request to the device silently. What is the weather here? Google knows and so long WIFI is around the device will find it and tell you.

2. Google maps just became a LOT easier.

3. I can see human made 'Loroi' having essentially their own 'cellphone' in their head, so long there are satelites and cell towers to bounce signals of. Since it requires high tech to create them in the first place, it goes without saying that it would be available for a 'Loroi' to use.

4. Listel like memory. Wow. You could tell the device to remember something and it WOULD and tell it back to you whenever you want.

I think the main limitation is online searches for specific websites would require the user to know the name of the address.... not necessarily the compmete address, but at least an idea of what it is.


And there is no reason to stop at 'Loroi' we can go further still and 'create' extra-senses we do not have.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4c1lqFXHvqI

[Demarquis]

I like the idea, but the device in the video didn't really go anywhere since 2019, probably because it didn't really add any performance to simply typing the same question into a laptop. I understand the decision to rely on the peripheral nervous system, so that only deliberate sub-vocalizations by the user would be picked up by the device, but that isn't good enough. An "internal AI assistant" needs to be able to work with me at the speed of my thought, or faster.

Of course, the implications of that are a little more frightening.

[Bamax]

I like the idea, but the device in the video didn't really go anywhere since 2019, probably because it didn't really add any performance to simply typing the same question into a laptop. I understand the decision to rely on the peripheral nervous system, so that only deliberate sub-vocalizations by the user would be picked up by the device, but that isn't good enough. An "internal AI assistant" needs to be able to work with me at the speed of my thought, or faster.

Of course, the implications of that are a little more frightening.

I just had a thought that may be a better solution.

Even I noticed the sub-vocalizations were clunky in the video since he was forming one word at a time rather than speaking normal sentences that flow.

What if the 'internal bio-computer assistant functioned as a translator with various languages pre-downloaded. If you wanted to ask it something you could speak like a normal person, or write and it... would see through your eyes what you write and reply via bone conduction.

I think a translator/calculator/health monitor alone would be great.

Beats having robot WIFI abilities because the assistant would be solely focused on you... just like any other appendage of the body.

[Demarquis]

Well, it would be useful for monitoring various functions that I either don't have the expertise for (language translation) or the time for (health monitoring). But it has to add some performance benefit over the same app running on my smartphone, otherwise the added intrusiveness doesn't make sense. But here's an idea: giving me direct control over my own brain's functions, via bio-feedback. It might make a great stress-management device, or even allow me to adjust my hormone levels on the go.

[Bamax]

Well, it would be useful for monitoring various functions that I either don't have the expertise for (language translation) or the time for (health monitoring). But it has to add some performance benefit over the same app running on my smartphone, otherwise the added intrusiveness doesn't make sense. But here's an idea: giving me direct control over my own brain's functions, via bio-feedback. It might make a great stress-management device, or even allow me to adjust my hormone levels on the go.

So essentially what you want is something like... this?


https://powerlisting.fandom.com/wiki/Ho ... nipulation


I think the first list of applications are far more likely thzn the second list which becames rather overpowered in my opinion.


Basically what you want is to ability to drive your body in manual transmisson... at least some aspects but not all.