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Which sci-fi element from Star Wars is irreplacable with a fantasy trope? Not saying there isn't one, just that I can't think of one.

Force = literal magic
Starships = airships or just plain ships
Fighter planes = some kind of magic carpet or enslaved winged creature/familiar
Death Star = magic ritual place
Aliens = non human fantasy races
Droids = Golems
Clone Army = Orcs (in the Tolkien sense)

Seems to be the most important elements.


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Werra wrote:
Which sci-fi element from Star Wars is irreplacable with a fantasy trope? Not saying there isn't one, just that I can't think of one.

Force = literal magic
Starships = airships or just plain ships
Fighter planes = some kind of magic carpet or enslaved winged creature/familiar
Death Star = magic ritual place
Aliens = non human fantasy races
Droids = Golems
Clone Army = Orcs (in the Tolkien sense)

Seems to be the most important elements.


Isn't that common with all science fiction? I mean this sort of describes Outsider as well. You could probably replace most regular elements in regular fiction stories with fantasy elements as well and then it'd be fantasy.


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Werra wrote:
Which sci-fi element from Star Wars is irreplacable with a fantasy trope? Not saying there isn't one, just that I can't think of one.

Force = literal magic
Starships = airships or just plain ships
Fighter planes = some kind of magic carpet or enslaved winged creature/familiar
Death Star = magic ritual place
Aliens = non human fantasy races
Droids = Golems
Clone Army = Orcs (in the Tolkien sense)

Seems to be the most important elements.


1. Yes.

2. No, it ruins all point of fortresses and so on, it allready wont be fantasy.

3. Dogfight on flying carpets... You understand HOW much out of place it is? It ruins all army vs army battles as well.

4. No, Death star more then just weapon it is almost it own world, planet of death if we look at it.

5. Yes.

6. No, droids are sentient.

7. No, Orks are living beings, droids are not.

2/7 is a low number.


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Kind of. I'm sure you could cobble together fantasy equivalents for Outsider from enough DnD splatbooks. But take space travel in SW for example. Whether Yodas swamp is on another planet or on the same continent is irrelevant. What's important is that Luke has to travel. X-Wing, Ship of the Line, horseback? Works just as fine.
In Outsider the nature of space travel directly affects the story. You can't have lane based naval combat.

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2. We see several fortresses in SW. Dragons don't ruin the point of a castle in medieval fantasy; Airships don't do that either.
3. It's not out of place at all. Aerial jousting is not uncommon in fantasy. Examples include the Dragonlance books and Warhammer Fantasy. If it seems out of place for army battles, imagine SW: Fantasy as a high seas affair.
4. That's what is said. We only see a few corridors and a canyon. The important bit, the awesome destructive power and the vulnerability can be any magic construction, really.
6. Even some of the original storys of jewish golems had them be or become sentient.
7. Orcs as written by Tolkien are spawned in breeding pits. Can't remember if they're clones of each other, but they're essentially numberless and created for war. Was just an example. I'm sure any number of fantasy races can work.


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2. Dragons usualy take over castle very easyli, and they are very rare and dont follow rule of anyone, they are bwild beasts, while airships are tool, that anyone can use. Thats why you usualy dont see them in fantasy, they are ruin warfare completly.

3. When dragon riders fight each other with swords it is not dogfight in any way of its word.

4. Indeed, but it scales up emperor to the chaos god level of power, story crashes.

6. Those are not truly golems, they are elementals, it is quite different, and still not the same as droids- because they are forces of nature.

7. No matter what race you will choose- they are still living beings. Droids are not.


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For what it's worth, I would classify the SW movies either as soft sci-fi or science fantasy for the widely known factors such as insanely over-the-top and inconsistent power/energy levels, incoherent and weak science aspect overall and the force, but the last one is not the key point. Other universes that are considered pure hard sci-fi also have telepathy, telekinesis, mind control, etc. I will not touch the whole extended universe and legends thing with a ten foot pole because too many different people have let their power fantasies run amok in those. :roll:

And also, pretty much every other fictional story boils down to the basic tropes and plot devices, regardless whether it's robots and starships or dragons and magic, if you look closely enough.


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I personally also dislike the fantasy elemets of Star Wars, ut it is set in a technological ecene far ahead of our capacities, even if it happened 'a long time ago, in a far away galaxy' ...

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Uhmm..aren't we getting WAAAY off topic..? Start another thread about the failings of the SW universe ~ so I can ignore it.

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