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Didn't know where to put this but had to fanboy squee about it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfGPMJ8A0QY


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I always wonder why they dont have guy with rocket launcher to shoot in drop pod when it opens.


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I always wonder why they dont have guy with rocket launcher to shoot in drop pod when it opens.

Keep in mind that we're talking about a multi-kilometer long warship with dozens (if not hundreds) of decks. And that shipboard security likely only had a short time frame of warning for where the boarding pods were coming in. While I don't doubt that the ship armory has all sorts of heavy weapons in it, I doubt they have enough to outfit every quick reaction security team with them, or that a team carrying weapons heavy enough to destroy the pod could get in position before the Marines disembarked.

I'm interested if the latter shorts will deal with the tactical situation of the defenders. Of drastically outnumbering the Marines, but having trouble catching the Marine Boarding party in a proper kill zone due to their relative mobility compared to a heavy weapons platoon.


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This is of course assuming that the ship's armory wasn't destroyed during the breaching process. From the look of things, the breaching craft passed through several areas of the target ship.

If not then it would be prudent for the tactical squad to have inserted near the armory, so as to neutralize it as soon as possible and prevent the crew from arming themselves properly. That or they might have inserted themselves right where their targets (the rebel leadership) are assumed to be. Take them out quick and then exit before the crew can properly retaliate. Then move onto the next mission whilst the Imperial Navy peasantry deal with cleaning up what's left behind.

They are the Emperor's scalpel after all.


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This is of course assuming that the ship's armory wasn't destroyed during the breaching process. From the look of things, the breaching craft passed through several areas of the target ship.

If not then it would be prudent for the tactical squad to have inserted near the armory, so as to neutralize it as soon as possible and prevent the crew from arming themselves properly. That or they might have inserted themselves right where their targets (the rebel leadership) are assumed to be. Take them out quick and then exit before the crew can properly retaliate. Then move onto the next mission whilst the Imperial Navy peasantry deal with cleaning up what's left behind.

They are the Emperor's scalpel after all.

I find that rather unlikely given the scale of ships used by humanity in Warhammer 40k. It'd not only be difficult to determine which knock and cranny of the ship was being used as an armory (it's huge), but it's also unlikely there'd just be one centralized armory, instead of multiple smaller ones distributed throughout the ship. It'd be difficult to get your crew armed for combat if they had to run through kilometers or corridors to get your crew armed.
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Besides. The fact that the Marines ran into armed and armored shipboard security upon disembarking suggests to me that the crew has been on general quarters for awhile, with armaments already distributed. This group lacking heavier weapons was likely because they were a security picket.


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Ah yes, I had forgotten just how huge those ships can get. Even though the ship that was boarded did not look to be of sufficient size, the points you brought up still stand.

I just love how one of it's cannons is almost the same size as that IRL navy vessel. And that's just a frigate too. :D


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Keep in mind that we're talking about a multi-kilometer long warship with dozens (if not hundreds) of decks. And that shipboard security likely only had a short time frame of warning for where the boarding pods were coming in. While I don't doubt that the ship armory has all sorts of heavy weapons in it, I doubt they have enough to outfit every quick reaction security team with them, or that a team carrying weapons heavy enough to destroy the pod could get in position before the Marines disembarked.

I'm interested if the latter shorts will deal with the tactical situation of the defenders. Of drastically outnumbering the Marines, but having trouble catching the Marine Boarding party in a proper kill zone due to their relative mobility compared to a heavy weapons platoon.


Yes, but there is no point send team with Stabbers (not even lasguns) against space marines.
They cant even damage weak points, they wont stop them even for a second.

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I just love how one of it's cannons is almost the same size as that IRL navy vessel. And that's just a frigate too.


This looks epic no doubt but it is horrible design.
Barrel is a giant weak spot.
For example look at this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y52mlhsYqiM

There is no way to penetrate 150mm pf sloped armor with 76mm gun (115mm penetration), but you shoot this giant barrel and...


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This looks epic no doubt but it is horrible design.
Barrel is a giant weak spot.


Well of course it's an awful design.

This setting has super human space wizards possessed by the forces of hell who can spit acid and gain memories from people by eating them. All the while walking around in armour that would in real life be almost impossible to effectively move around in, whilst totting automatic rocket launchers and shooting mind bullets from their finger tips.

40K was never meant to be taken seriously. It's all based on the rule of cool baby. 8-)


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Yes, but there is no point send team with Stabbers (not even lasguns) against space marines.
They cant even damage weak points, they wont stop them even for a second.

Well there's some benefit. Keeping pressure up on the Marines by continuing throwing guys at them lets you at least know where they are. And *maybe* can slow them down enough for your properly equipped troops with anti-tank weapons to get into position. And maybe deplete enough of the Marines ammunition that they can't kill your specialist troops as fast.


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Why are Space Marines shooting Imperial Guard?

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Traditionally because of demon possession. But in 40k, a simple accounting error can work as well.


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Or they're just bored. It's not like imperial guardsmen are hard to replace...


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Why are Space Marines shooting Imperial Guard?

First ep outlines that. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-MteECxZUY

There was a failed planetary rebellion against the Imperium, and a number of leaders for it are attempting to flee on the ship. The Space Marines, acting in cooperation with the Imperial Navy, are attempting to assassinate or capture the leaders of the rebel leaders.


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People wondering about heavy weapons might be interested in the latest episode that got uploaded. It seems that team that got engaged initially was a more lightly armed security detail, and they started cracking out the heavy ordinance as soon as they recognized what they were fighting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMGRa4_UjE4


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Oh god, no questions anymore, author is fapping at space marines so hard.
That multilaser is literally twice stronger then space marine heavy bolter but deal 0 damage.


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Oh god, no questions anymore, author is fapping at space marines so hard.
That multilaser is literally twice stronger then space marine heavy bolter but deal 0 damage.

How is it literally twice as strong as a Heavy Bolter? On table top if I recall the multilaser only has a +1 to the strength stat, but at the expense of having no special armor piercing qualities. It's still a heavy weapon and all, but I didn't think on tabletop it was considered an especially reliable Marine equivalent killer.

I mean that aside I think you're not considering

1. The multilaser had to shoot through multiple armored humans to hit the marine. this possibly weakened some of the shots that hit him
2. The Marine taking cover and popping smoke suggests he was in fact worried about the damage the multilaser could potentially cause
3. We don't know if he escaped undamaged yet. Next episode might open with this guy in question showing cases of being wounded or his power armor being compromised


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Going by what I know of Warhammer 40k lore, It seems accurate that the Space Marine wasn't instantly gibbed by the multilaser. However, I would expect to see that particular Marine retreat afterwards. If his armor was "merely" ordinary Space Marine armor, then I would expect that he's taken wounds near the joints and is better left out of commission. This is exactly the kind of situation Space Marines are for.

If he's unscathed or merely has scorch marks on his armor, I'll call it wankery.


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If you pay close attention to his armour you can see where the multi-laser has struck, leaving pock marks. The barrage also seems to force him back briefly whilst using a smoke screen, so it can be assumed that whilst his armour can weather such a barrage for a while, the marine isn't too keen to do so.


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The problem is they are not good soldiers in here. They literally step in evry trap that was in front of them. And evry one of this traps must work. Both autocanon and multilaser.
Space marines must win because they are great soldiers- they know where ambush will be even without scouting since they have hundreds years of battle expirience.
Like this multilaser shouldnt even hit space marine since he would spot it and immidiatly hide even before it will fire, same with autocanon- space marine will kill gunner even before it can open fire.

Not this SPEHS MAHRINES AMOR IS STRONK.
Put Ogryn in power armor and you will get better space marines then this ones.

P.s. and bolt pistol should have no problem with multilaser shield.


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They are overconfident, not because they are bad or incompetent, but because they outmatch the enemy so completely that they can move at a faster pace. You still see them flank enemy positions within seconds of them being revealed. They use smoke grenades for cover, etcetera. An ogryn in power armor would never be able to perform those tasks.

And Space Marine armor IS stronk.


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Was there ever a doubt that spehs mahrines armor was stronk? haha


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Going fast can be the safer option as it leaves the enemy less time to prepare and wheel out heavy weapons. That could be the difference between one multilaser covering an archway or three with overlapping fields of fire.


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In any event....

It is a very good series of fan-movies.

And in Ep 3, that plasma-pistol response.... is PURE GLORIOUS SPACE MARINE ATTITUDE. And perfectly in keeping with the written canon of Games Workshop fluff.

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Zorg56 wrote:
The problem is they are not good soldiers in here. They literally step in evry trap that was in front of them. And evry one of this traps must work. Both autocanon and multilaser.
Space marines must win because they are great soldiers- they know where ambush will be even without scouting since they have hundreds years of battle expirience.
Like this multilaser shouldnt even hit space marine since he would spot it and immidiatly hide even before it will fire, same with autocanon- space marine will kill gunner even before it can open fire.

Not this SPEHS MAHRINES AMOR IS STRONK.
Put Ogryn in power armor and you will get better space marines then this ones.

P.s. and bolt pistol should have no problem with multilaser shield.

The Space Marines are moving as fast as possible because they're fighting a ship filled with thousands of hostile enemy soldiers. Their biggest advantage is that the enemy cannot quickly concentrate all those troops on the Space Marines when they have an entire ship to cover. If the Marines slow down that means the enemy has more time to pin down their position, set up more heavy weapons in fortified positions, and encircle them. Them bullrushing puts them at risk of ambush by isolated heavy weapons teams, but slowing down increases the risk of the enemy bringing their total strength on them.

I should note that heavily armored ogryn would do much worse in this situation on account of being much worse shots and less tactically adruit. An Ogryn couldn't make superhuman accurate shots the Space Marines have been making, nor would they be drilled enough to pull off the quick tactical maneuvers the Marines did. Like the efficient room clearing or knowing when to pop smoke and take cover.

I also don't see why a heavy gun shield wouldn't be able to stand up to a bolt pistol. A gun shield can be made of heavier armor than infantry armor, and a bolt pistol's penetration powers aren't THAT great. I can easily see it hitting the shield, exploding, but not being able to injure the flak armored crew member behind it.


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Effective stuff! That breach was once superb! The ability you might have at making this look as practical as possible blows my mind, it gave the impression it was all are living motion!


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