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Razor One wrote:Next you'll be telling me you never played Unreal.

I haven't. Haven't played most of the DOOMs either. In fact, name a game, chances are I haven't played it (doesn't help that I have too many interests).

Dune 2? Yes. SCraft 1? Yes. C&C anything? No. SCraft 2? On shelf.
MoO 1 & 2? Yes. Civ anything? No. FreeCiv? Yes. ACentauri? Yes. HLife? Only 1. DOOM? The 1st at least. System Shock I don't recall, except "not past 2", though I've watched over someone's shoulder at least.

Some of us just don't jump on the latest thing very often. Shoot, I still have an unopened copy of Oni that I need to get around to.

Asking someone to try out a 23 year old game (especially a 3D first person game) is asking them to be disappointed.

Dune 2 was an awesome game that launched a whole genre, but you couldn't pay me to play it now.

Guess I'm in the minority when it comes to the appreciation of ancient games, but I view classics like Dune 2, the original SimCity, System Shock and so many others in a similar vein to classic cinema. The early 90's were a golden age of experimentation and untried methods, a cambrian era of untried, untested, and unrefined gaming. It was wild and untamed in a way that modern gaming can't really compare with, but owes its existence to.

Sure, the controls and gameplay of the original System Shock are clunky and awkward today, but it was also amongst the first of its kind, when mouses were optional in the same vein as a joystick and words like cyberspace were still bandied about in earnest and without a shred of irony. It may be nostalgia talking, but it brings me back to a time that came only once, and will never come again.

There's a reason, I feel, why Homeworld Remastered came bundled with Homeworld Classic. As good as any remastered edition can be, there will always be a desire to recapture the original experience.

Of course, if my assertion is true, I wonder what gaming's equivalent of Citizen Kane would be.

Razor One wrote: I understand the motion sickness angle. Games since Half-Life 2 and onwards have all given me that feeling, though it's curiously not a problem with older games or slower paced stuff like MMO's.

Since we're confessing about games we've never played, I couldn't get past Bioshock's introductory levels. It kept reminding me that I'd played that game before, and I liked it better when it was called System Shock 2.

icekatze wrote:hi hi

For what it's worth, I haven't played System Shock, or any of its progeny. Haven't played Unreal either. First person games in general tend to make me motion sick and then it's bad times all around.

Have you guys tried playing with higher frame rates? Or adjusting blur settings? I'm not certain but these things might contribute.

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Some games age better than others, and for me it usually depends on the user interface more than the graphics. A clunky, hard to control interface makes it harder to get into an old game more than lame graphics.

I still occasionally fire up old favorites, like Mechcommander, OpenTTD, Starfleet Command, Angband, or Sim City 2000 when I'm bored. I'd play some Netrek too, if I had people I knew to play with.

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There are some things that seem to help with the motion sickness a little bit. Adjusting the field of view can occasionally lessen the sensation, but frame rate doesn't do anything for me. It's something I've had to contend with as far back as the old 2.5D games, like Doom and Marathon. It really is hard to narrow down on what causes it. Some games, I'll be able to go an hour or two before I need to take a break and lie down for a bit, and some games I'll be regretting my life choices within 15 minutes.

Oh, afirst person shooter?
Only ever played Doom, and Wolfenstein, and one or twocopies of the same era.

I prefer other games, like Civ2, Civ3, MoO2(DosBox), Ur-Quan Masters/Star Control 2 (OS converted by fans), and hundreds of flash games. Or "Really Bad Chess".
Since kids, I don't want to take much time to play, just started UQM with my sons as captains (their proficiency with keyboards is bad, not enough to survive a battle).

Amd I developed a motion sickness since I work 10h/day on computer monitors...

icekatze wrote:Some games age better than others, and for me it usually depends on the user interface more than the graphics. A clunky, hard to control interface makes it harder to get into an old game more than lame graphics.

One of the few classic games that still has a workable UI is the original Master of Orion. It stands up remarkably well, 320x200 resolution notwithstanding.

I have a ton of newer games that I still haven't played enough of.

Was anything interesting announced at E3? The only interesting thing I saw was the XCOM2 expansion tease, which wasn't all that interesting.

Anthem looked neat, but that was about it.

Beyond Good and Evil got a sequel announced.

It's an Ubisoft title, that much is enough to curb all hype from me.

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Beyond Good and Evil 2 was announced again? This is, what, the third time? (Man, I loved BG&E though.)

Speaking of Master of Orion, the original; I wonder if it is any easier to get a Mac OS9 Emulator for windows these days. The DOS version of Moo1 may have had a limited screen size, but with the OS9 version, you could resize the windows any way you wanted, and the extra popup windows could be moved around the screen and kept open. It was actually pretty awesome.

I still sometimes pull it up on my OSX box, since classic mode still works.

Maybe I'll throw in my two cents as well:

Divinity: Original Sin 2.

Being with a friend of mine right in the middle of the second playthrough of D:OS, and that game is still captivating. If the sequel is as good as this one, it's definitely a keeper for us.

Dreadnought may interest some of you. Strategic ship based shooter. I just recently tried it out and so far it's been pretty fun.

icekatze wrote:I wonder if it is any easier to get a Mac OS9 Emulator for windows these days.

SheepShaver exists, but isn't the user-friendliest of programs. It may also help to search for “redundant robot sheepshaver” (sans quotation marks, of course).

Overkill Engine wrote:Dreadnought may interest some of you. Strategic ship based shooter. I just recently tried it out and so far it's been pretty fun.

Ya it might be!
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