Stillstorm laughed...
Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 12:30 am
...it chilled me to the bone.
Ktrain wrote:The laugh actually shows a lack of tact and gives me a more negative impression on how Loroi compose themselves. I would have preferred a simple "No" and a ceasing of transmission. Her behavior makes the Umiak commander appear more restrained and measured in comparison.
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"Lying is forbidden in Iraq. President Saddam Hussein will tolerate nothing but truthfulness as he is a man of great honor and integrity. Everyone is encouraged to speak freely of the truths evidenced in their eyes and hearts."
"Now even the American command is under siege. We are hitting it from the north, east, south and west. We chase them here and they chase us there. But at the end we are the people who are laying siege to them. And it is not them who are besieging us."
"Faltering forces of infidels cannot just enter a country of 26 million people and lay besiege to them! They are the ones who will find themselves under siege. Therefore, in reality whatever this miserable Rumsfeld has been saying, he was talking about his own forces. Now even the American command is under siege."
"We are winning!"
Isn't the Loroi lacking tact pretty much a racial trait? Due to them not understanding being subtle due to telepathic communications? And that the Umiak are individually polite but in a group sociopath paranoids?Ktrain wrote:The laugh actually shows a lack of tact and gives me a more negative impression on how Loroi compose themselves. I would have preferred a simple "No" and a ceasing of transmission. Her behavior makes the Umiak commander appear more restrained and measured in comparison.
Maybe that's the case, but Stillstorm still doesn't have any actual reason to believe the Umiak on this matter. She's observed this battle group jamming Loroi far sensory abilities, but it'd be assuming significantly greater capability than what has been displayed for the Umiak to be doing this to entire fleets and breaching the Loroi lines. In that case Stillstorm would have just let herself been had.TrashMan wrote:In that case Stillstorms vision of relaity must be exceptionally limited...pretty much to "how I want thingy to be".
Everything Kikitik said makes perfect sense and there is nothing to contradict it...so it does bear no resemblance to the Iraq example.
In all fighting, the direct method may be used for joining battle, but indirect methods will be needed in order to secure victory. In battle, there are not more than two methods of attack - the direct and the indirect; yet these two in combination give rise to an endless series of maneuvers. The direct and the indirect lead on to each other in turn. It is like moving in a circle - you never come to an end. Who can exhaust the possibilities of their combination?Razor One wrote:Disinformation. She has no reason to trust anything Kikitik has to say. The best lies are the ones that mix in a little truth as well. Makes them much easier to swallow.
It's also common knowledge that the Umiak will lie, cheat, steal, refuse to flush the toilet, take the last beer in the fridge and generally do what they must in order to win the war. Pretty much par for the course in human wars. You trust your own chain of command over and above anything the enemy has to say, even if their actions appear to be illogical.
If Kikitik is lying, and I strongly believe he is, he's pretty much already read Sun Tzu's book and has applied it magnificently. It would explain his highly successful career.
Said who? So far the only one who claim that the Umiak are liying all the time, are their worst enemy, the loroi. So can we trust them to actually be telling the true?Razor One wrote:Disinformation. She has no reason to trust anything Kikitik has to say. The best lies are the ones that mix in a little truth as well. Makes them much easier to swallow.
It's also common knowledge that the Umiak will lie, cheat,
But its that the whole point, both sides aren't the most trustful, the loroi have probed and imprisoned Alex, told the Umiak aren't to be trusted. Meanwhile the Umiak, "might" have destroyed the Bell, and have come off as more diplomatic, but its still early . . .Karst45 wrote:Said who? So far the only one who claim that the Umiak are lying all the time, are their worst enemy, the loroi. So can we trust them to actually be telling the true?Razor One wrote:Disinformation. She has no reason to trust anything Kikitik has to say. The best lies are the ones that mix in a little truth as well. Makes them much easier to swallow.
It's also common knowledge that the Umiak will lie, cheat,
The Loroi concern for the humans is based on the fact that they're for all practical purposes, immune to the Loroi's greatest strategic advantage. A capability that the Umiak seem to have also displayed. This makes finding out everything you can about the humans an imperative.TrashMan wrote:Kliktiks action make perfect sense actually.
Assuming he's tellling the truth, there is no need for him to risk further losses in an unimportant battle.The wreckage of a third party is interesting, but it's hardly worth if for eihter side. By now the Loroi should know that humans are technologicly inferior. They should also know humans control only six worlds (Alex told them that much). Based on that information alone, the value of humanity as allies is minimal.
If you take what Tiky said at face value, that the Umiak fleets are already pressing Azimol, then no. Either their push succeeds or fails on its own, he can't arrive in time to influence that*. Further, the time spent here is negligible compared to transit time required to reach either the new front or resupply. What interests him at this point is what is so important about that wreck that would cause a well known and (of all things) respected Loroi commander/murderer to pause. Stillstorm engaged a Loroi task force in static defense around an obvious, but unknown, wreckage. This order of engagement cost Stillstorm two ships. Why are the Loroi sacrificing themselves in this way? If its important enough for the Stormwitch to be so concerned its important enough for Tiky to be concerned.Rosen_Ritter_1 wrote:Couldn't they just bypass this Loroi task force, and continue on to attacking the main Loroi lines, which are already collapsing?
I expect that that has far less to do with Stillstorm being unprofessional/diplomatic and more to do with the fact that's he's just been told that the Loroi are fucked, and he's on a Loroi ship.Ktrain wrote:I mean he is speechless.
1. The job of this group isn't to attack the main Loroi lines.Rosen_Ritter_1 wrote:Except this is clearly not the case for the Umiak. They just sacrificed a DOZEN ships just to find out how dedicated the Loroi were to defending the wreckage. To me this makes it look like the Umiak might not have as strong of a position as the commander argues. Why sacrifice a dozen ships for that wreckage? Couldn't they just bypass this Loroi task force, and continue on to attacking the main Loroi lines, which are already collapsing?
According to Tempo this is normal in Loroi society.Ktrain wrote:The laugh actually shows a lack of tact
That still dont prove anything about the Umiak being know to lie and "cheat". The only one who seem not to be trusted are the loroi. After all they consider speech language to be treachery. For all we know what beryl showed him on the console was actually a "space lasagna recipe" that she claimed to be the report of the plasma weapon that destroyed the bell.NOMAD wrote:But its that the hollow point, both sides aren't the most trustful, the loroi have probed and imprisoned Alex, told the Umiak aren't to be trusted. Meanwhile the Umiak, "might" have destroyed the Bell, and have come off as more diplomatic, but its still early . . .Karst45 wrote:Said who? So far the only one who claim that the Umiak are lying all the time, are their worst enemy, the loroi. So can we trust them to actually be telling the true?Razor One wrote:Disinformation. She has no reason to trust anything Kikitik has to say. The best lies are the ones that mix in a little truth as well. Makes them much easier to swallow.
It's also common knowledge that the Umiak will lie, cheat,
The whole situation is unambiguous and its left to our dear hero alex to decide who to follow. Right now trust and lying and almost impossible to seperate for both sides.
They made a pass over [the object in question] in hope to get a better scan at it and that the [storm-witch] would be scared and leave [the object in question] for them to study more if it was worth it.Rosen_Ritter_1 wrote: Why sacrifice a dozen ships for that wreckage? Couldn't they just bypass this Loroi task force, and continue on to attacking the main Loroi lines, which are already collapsing?