Re: Did Russia win WWII?
Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2015 5:20 pm
Alexandr Koori wrote:Books
I hope this books not by Norman Davis and others like him. Just go to any Russian forum and ask. Anyway you lose nothing.
Cleaning
The Soviet Union and the ethnic cleansing - is incompatible things. All Soviet ideology contrary to the division of people by race or ethnic. Social class cleaning - yes, this is possible.
Finland, Poland
Thinking, what Poland and Finland is an innocent victims - is a mistake. In the 1919-21 war, the Poles staged cleansing of the Jewish population (as bandits from central Russia, for justice), but and firsts and seconds was severely punished by Soviets. But don't forget, in Polish captivity more than 22,000 of Russian people was killed. People are not just the statistics numbers - in 1939 Poland was punished for that, in Moscow is not forgotten. By the way, after the occupation of Poland only elite was subject of repression - ordinary soldiers (sometimes even bypassing distribution centers) were just released home.
Finns attacked the border bases, burned to the hospitals with patients and doctors inside, shelled a village at the border.
Finally - not the fault of Russia that Poland and Finland are on our borders, and that the West was Hitler. We needed to protect the area. "The protection of national interests," as now talking. Modern Western policy much cynical.
Ukraine.
Please do not talk about Ukraine. I'm tired of this talk in Russia and on Russian, I do not want continue on English. Here are a few basic things:
1.Russians, Ukrainians and Belarusians - are one people, one culture, divided only by administrative boundaries.
2.Ukraine within its present borders is political chimera like Yugoslavia.
3.In sum, I am almost a year (11 months, 1997-2002) lived in Evpatoria, without a word of Ukrainian. Many people don't know main Ukrainian dialect here, just Surzhyk maybe.
4.The occupation of Ukraine by the Soviet Union can be imagine only a madman, Ukraine as a state didn't exist in that time, Ukrainian language was not "standard" until 1920th.
5.Don't ask me any questions about the current situation - for understand something, what's going on now, you are need to be born and live here. All that MASS of information, what I know, even in Russian I can describe with great difficulty; and I speak English badly. Do you want to know more? - go to vk.com, Russian social network, get people from Kiev, Moscow, Lugansk, Donetsk, Evpatoria... I think many people willing to talk to you!
*snerks* Ha. Haha. Hahahahahaa.. You seriously believe that? If so, I pity you. The USSR was NOT a nice nation. It was brutal, cruel and killed millions of its own citizens (the Ukranian Famine is one example). It ruthlessly crushed -any- opposition with the blunt application of force and was blatantly expansionist, especially in the earlier decades.
Finland and Poland were attacked by the Soviets, with the intention of annexing their territories, and putting what wasn't conquered, under heavy Soviet pressure/influence. You might note that those nations have a bad history with Russia invading them over the centuries, and them fighting, or trying to fight them off.
Ukraine has been its own nation for about a century (if wikipedia is correct). It became a nation as we know it under the Soviets. It has been out from under the Soviet umbrella since 1990. A vote I remind you that had over 90% of the Ukrainian electorate supported the Act of Independence. Everyone, even Russia acknowledged that Ukraine was its own nation, so to say or imply it isn't a nation or doesn't deserve to be one is a fallacy on your end.